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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by pmontra » Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 9:51 AM UTC

mastazi wrote: post #563

areoform wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952 And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple…

> keyboard + trackpad alignment is wonky (it's off-center in a lot of cases! How weird is that???) Those are laptops with numeric keypads, the trackpad is still centred relative to the "main area" of the keyboard (the home row and in particular the rest keys - the two keys with a little bump, F and J on a QWERTY) but it is off-centre relative to the body of the laptop due to the presence of the keypad. Macs don't hav…

But you want to align the keyboard and the touchpad with the vertical axis of your body so you end up with 2/3 of the screen to your right. That's why I'm advocating no number pads on laptops.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by breakfastduck » Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 9:51 AM UTC

blauditore wrote: post #772

So many comments in here, but I haven't seen a single one mentioning a simple solution: Vote with your feet. For years now, I've seen a large portion of the HN crowd praising Apple for its (alleged) respect of privacy and cursing at Microsoft for Windows "calling home" all the time. Now that this has happened, the only comments I see are "heads should roll", and "we must complain and be heard by high-level execs", bu…

I can't vote with my feet (nor do I really want to), because there's no alternative I enjoy using as a desktop OS.

Windows is no better for telemetry, and the user experience doesn't at all fit well with how I work.

Linux I prefer to Windows but generally find the desktop experience lacking.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by willyt » Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 9:52 AM UTC

Probably best to read this to understand better what happened. TLDR The problem was due to a hung network connection. So the notarisation check thought it could go because it had network but then it hung because the connection to oscp was getting stalled. Hence why turning off network made the problem go away. I experienced a weird slowdown for about 20mins, then everything went back to normal.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/macos-big-sur-launch...

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by kruuuder » Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 9:53 AM UTC

I followed OP's advice and blocked trustd from connecting to these servers. I noticed that there's also a process named ocspd that's whitelisted by default in Little Snitch. Can someone explain how these things are related?

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by sokoloff » Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 9:56 AM UTC

toyg wrote: post #717

darthrupert wrote: post #639

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I think you should stick to Apple, frankly. Every time Apple comes up with something new (or just a new software release), people come out of their sheds to warn about all the bad things that will happen. And then almost none of those bad things happen. I've witnessed this dozens of times now, so a safe interpretation would be to assume that this time none of those things happen.

Except bad things did happen. Like their capricious application of Appstore “guidelines”; the increasing difficulty of running software on Mac where the developer won’t pay Apple a tithe; the drop in Linux support for the platform, as they locked it down more and more at hardware level; the imposition of their authentication and payment portals (and hence 30% taxes all around) on web apps... etc etc etc. We have been…

I have not experienced any difficulties in installing or running apps from outside the Mac app store (if that’s what you mean by paying Apple a tithe).

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by robotmay » Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 9:57 AM UTC

areoform wrote: post #567

mastazi wrote: post #563

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> keyboard + trackpad alignment is wonky (it's off-center in a lot of cases! How weird is that???) Those are laptops with numeric keypads, the trackpad is still centred relative to the "main area" of the keyboard (the home row and in particular the rest keys - the two keys with a little bump, F and J on a QWERTY) but it is off-centre relative to the body of the laptop due to the presence of the keypad. Macs don't hav…

I use my laptop on my lap, and usually when I sit with my hands folded in my lap, my hands fall along the center axis of my body. We are bilaterally symmetrical beings (with some internal asymmetries). So unless I scoot the laptop off-axis or I have to move my hands off axis to type. I'm unsure how this isn't unergonomic. It's not something to get used to. It's bad design. Period.

Yes this has always annoyed me; having it centred under the keyboard makes no sense except in some weird universe where everybody uses only their thumbs to operate the trackpad. Trackpad alignment was one of the major causes of my RSI due to the horrible bend in the wrist it causes.

I haven't used a Mac in years but the one thing they always nailed was the trackpad. It's big and actually centred on the laptop body.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by nullc » Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 10:00 AM UTC

pgt wrote: post #390

A compelling way to enact change at large corporates is to vocally communicate when and why you are forced back into a buying position as a customer. Apple VPs who are listening, especially Craig Federighi - here is an early warning for you. The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future. I de-Googled my entire life over similar transgressions by Google and several of my friends are gradually going t…

> And even though I just bought an MBP16,

Look into what state law protections you have. High ticket mail order items can usually be returned for a full refund for a fairly long time.

Finding out that it's phoning home about every binary you run is absolutely a good justification to return it. I would sooner throw out a computer that did that rather than use it.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by framecowbird » Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 10:00 AM UTC

blauditore wrote: post #772

So many comments in here, but I haven't seen a single one mentioning a simple solution: Vote with your feet. For years now, I've seen a large portion of the HN crowd praising Apple for its (alleged) respect of privacy and cursing at Microsoft for Windows "calling home" all the time. Now that this has happened, the only comments I see are "heads should roll", and "we must complain and be heard by high-level execs", bu…

I'm not sure which comments you are reading: one of the top threads that almost fills the whole first page is a long discussion about alternatives to macbooks...

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by iso1631 » Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 10:00 AM UTC

p410n3 wrote: post #713

robocat wrote: post #669

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Microsoft Windows also uploads your private exe’s, and then runs them on Microsoft servers: https://medium.com/sensorfu/how-my-application-ran-away-and-...

Holy Shit. That should be illegal. All it needs is one rogue employee to potentially steal trade secrets? And dont tell me MS employees never go rogue after the recent events...

Surely it's against copyright law

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by AnonymousPlanet » Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 10:00 AM UTC

pgt wrote: post #390

A compelling way to enact change at large corporates is to vocally communicate when and why you are forced back into a buying position as a customer. Apple VPs who are listening, especially Craig Federighi - here is an early warning for you. The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future. I de-Googled my entire life over similar transgressions by Google and several of my friends are gradually going t…

Microsoft saw that Macs were eating their lunch regarding developers and researchers when e.g. nearly everyone doing AI was on a MacBook or Ubuntu. You had a hard time getting Tensorflow to run on Windows because no one in the community really cared.

Also everyone developing applications in the cloud was eventually targeting Linux as the production OS, which is a pain if your development OS is pretty much hostile do anything command line.

MS then put a lot of money into getting a Linux like command line and support into Windows with WSL.

They also got a bunch of influencers and devs do their thing with improving that kind of developer's experience.

Apple, however, has been sitting on their hands in this regard. They are moving exactly the opposite direction with this crowd.

I have no idea what rationale is behind that. Did they come to a different conclusion than Microsoft or are they just failing to execute on the strategy?