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Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by ornitorrincos »

xienze wrote: post #316
manigandham wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% of the thousands of Uber drivers I've talked to over the past 8 years have said work flexibility is their greatest advantage. Many of them already have other commitments and drive for extra income. If they wanted a FT driving job, they would've gotten one.

> Many of them already have other commitments and drive for extra income. Exactly, why are so many people forgetting this aspect of ridesharing? The whole point is that you can pick it up and put it down whenever you want for a little extra cash. VERY early on people were able to make a killing doing Uber and that gave others a false impression that this was somehow a viable full time job. It's been years and years s…

Isn't that the point? They spent more than sustainable by paying better than anybody else.

Now they are trying to avoid the laws that made them unprofitable in the first term.

it was unsustainable from the beggining, they just expected to gain the public opinion to change the laws

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Post by shizcakes »

umvi wrote: post #720
vertbhrtn wrote: post #463

It's fascinating how the subsistence wage is simultaneously too low for workers and too high corporations.

Imagine creating an app called "Clean Streets" - basically people can put bounties on streets, other people can collect the bounty by picking up the litter. Sounds like a great little idea right? The app takes a 1% fee for server upkeep. Win/win, bored teenagers make some extra money and your neighborhood gets cleaned up... right? Wrong. Turns out, people aren't willing to pay that much for people to clean up their s…

In this particular, specific case - there are. They are called taxes, and in most urban areas, they fund regular street sweeping.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by bl0b »

sergiotapia wrote: post #735
baggy_trough wrote: post #713

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Why do you assume good intentions? It's more likely that this law was the result of campaign bribes from unions. Unions want to have fewer (unionized) people employed at higher compensation. Gig workers go against that because there is higher employment at lower compensation.

"You follow drugs, you get drug addicts and drug dealers. But you start to follow the money, and you don't know where the fuck it's gonna take you."

(Quote from character Lester Freamon from The Wire)

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by cjlars »

mcguire wrote: post #437

" As employees they would have to work set schedules and shifts, would not be able to work for multiple app-based companies and would have reduced earning potential — and many jobs would actually be eliminated. " ( https://prop22facts.com/lyft/ ) Is that something mandated by California? As far as I know, everywhere else I've been, work-schedules and anti-moonlighting are restrictions placed by the employer, not the…

I'm fairly certain that it's illegal to pay someone for less than two hours of work [1 and 2] in California, so the practice of just doing a couple rides on your way home from dropping the kids off or hitting up peak rush hour for the bonus rate would be illegal.

1 https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/FAQ_ReportingTimePay.htm

2 https://blog.accuchex.com/california-labor-laws-minimum-work...

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Post by michaelmrose »

manfredo wrote: post #763
codefreakxff wrote: post #747

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It's called a Taxi. They will drive to your location, pick you up, and take you anywhere you want to go.

Right, except now instead of having the option of taxis and ride share companies she can only use taxis which have artificially inflated prices due to constricted supply.

As opposed to rideshare which had artificially deflated prices due to a temporary infusion of investors money. Maybe push for more rational taxi regulations?

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Post by giaour »

carlosdp wrote: post #476
mcguire wrote: post #437

" As employees they would have to work set schedules and shifts, would not be able to work for multiple app-based companies and would have reduced earning potential — and many jobs would actually be eliminated. " ( https://prop22facts.com/lyft/ ) Is that something mandated by California? As far as I know, everywhere else I've been, work-schedules and anti-moonlighting are restrictions placed by the employer, not the…

I hear this a lot, that Lyft/Uber could allow the same flexibility if they wanted to. It's not that the law dictates this shift, it's that the economics do. Requiring full employment means you can hire less drivers. If you have less drivers, you need more control over when they drive in order to make sure when customers are looking for a ride, they can find one, hence shifts.

I don't think the economics dictate such a shift. I have had jobs where I was paid hourly, could start and stop at will, and for which I received a W2. (This was for a temp agency in CA.)

Is there anything in CA law that prevent Lyft from basically doing exactly what they had been doing but also paying payroll taxes on driver income?

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Post by Ensorceled »

xrd wrote: post #458
wmichelin wrote: post #410

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What did people in wheelchairs do before these rideshare apps were around?

There are plenty of cabs that are wheelchair accessible. My wife works in surgery centers and they often call a cab for someone that needs a ride home and is in a wheelchair. Edit: This was one of the main reasons against using Uber. Cabs were, I believe, legally required to provide this service, and Uber wasn't. That may have changed, but cabs were subject to that regulation, at least in Oregon, and Uber wasn't. Ube…

This was the complaint from the cab companies here in Toronto; they were required to have a certain percentage of their fleet as accessibility vehicles where as the ride “share” companies were not.

Unfortunately, the cab companies had accumulated years of bad will from tolerating bad and abusive drivers and then ran strikes in the city where drivers attacked people and deliberately blocked an ambulance.

I don’t like any of the sides in this battle.

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Post by fdshgaerfhe »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #749
fdshgaerfhe wrote: post #728

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Where in California does your sister live that doesn't offer Paratransit services?

Where in California does that service even come close to what Uber/Lyft offer?

Rides subsidized by folks desperate enough to sacrifice tomorrow in order to eat today?

I hope nowhere.

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Post by michaelmrose »

extra88 wrote: post #767
jedberg wrote: post #755

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You've clearly never tried to use a taxi in California.

For the majority who haven't tried to use taxis in California, what's the informative version of this comment?

Taxis everywhere are expensive due to constricted supply and are often unreliable.

Man I could tell some stories about that.

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Post by virtue3 »

jedberg wrote: post #755
codefreakxff wrote: post #747

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It's called a Taxi. They will drive to your location, pick you up, and take you anywhere you want to go.

You've clearly never tried to use a taxi in California.

flywheel is 'OK'. Better than it used to be before flywheel.
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