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Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by unethical_ban »

dang wrote: post #679
unethical_ban wrote: post #334

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Get out of here. You whine about people putting words in mouths after saying * We're calling Floyd a saint * We support looting * We don't take covid seriously And you say a whole slew of accusations that you KNOW aren't widespread (and likely untrue) and don't post sources. And you'll say something like it's a liberal media coverup, but you won't have shit to back up your claims.

Please don't attack another user or post in the flamewar style like this to HN, regardless of how wrong or provocative another comment is. It only makes this place even worse. Note this guideline: " Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead. " That's our indirect version of please don't feed the trolls. Other users flagged the comment, and it was rightly flagkilled. That would have happened sooner…

I don't always agree with you, but damnit, do I respect you. Thanks for the work you do, esp. if you aren't getting compensated.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by giardini »

jascii wrote: post #763
jcims wrote: post #749

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No. It's that blocking traffic is a material, aggressive escalation of a protest that could have very negative ramifications to the cause. Not only does it really really piss people off, it puts human bodies in direct conflict with vehicles and could potentially block travel to someone that needs urgent medical attention. If that's your jam then go for it. For my part, if i am in a vehicle with family and we are in a…

The way you are firing yourself up to commit homicide over a hypothetical situation is scary. Please seek help.

jascii says>"The way you are firing yourself up to commit homicide over a hypothetical situation..."He's isn't "firing [himself] up.." as you say, he's thinking out what could possibly happen and considering what his options are.

If you wait until you're in such a situation (people are breaking into your car and threatening to harm the occupants) you simply don't have sufficient time to think out those options - you must think and prepare ahead of time. For those who live in places where riots or firefight break out regularly, this is the proper and usual way to prepare.

FWIW in most of the USA it isn't homicide if you kill an attacker(s), provided you are defending life or limb of yourself, others and/or your property.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by pbourke »

panny wrote: post #714
pbourke wrote: post #708

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> Protesters set homeless man’s belongings on fire This was staged by infowars. I cannot be arsed to look at all of your videos. The right wing lockdown protests had a strong smell of AstroTurf about them: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/21/us/politics/coronavirus-p...

>I cannot be arsed to look at all your videos Oh well, I guess black lives don't actually matter to you then, because the video I lead with is a real black man who really died. https://fox6now.com/2020/06/02/police-retired-st-louis-polic...

I have seen the video in question. It’s tragic.

You neglect the hundreds of thousands of people who turned up in peaceful protests around the world over the last week. These people are seeking positive change within their communities.

Your attempt to mine a simplistic “protests bad” narrative from a complex event is done in bad faith.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by JamesBarney »

dbsmith83 wrote: post #769
JamesBarney wrote: post #765

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There are a million reasons that traffic gets blocked such as parades, funerals, road construction, and traffic accidents. And I didn't hear anyone make the argument any of those things should be banned to prevent the potential loss of life from someone trying to get to a hospital while not in an ambulance. It really seems like an isolated demand for safety.

Terrible analogies. Those are mostly planned things which give people opportunity to plan for.

Does it matter if it's planned? If you have a medical condition and you need to get to a hospital it doesn't matter whether you had a week's notice or a days notice because the need to get to a hospital is unplanned.

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Post by dbsmith83 »

megous wrote: post #703
jcims wrote: post #659

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So just roll the dice that you’re not going to hurt anyone by blocking traffic? Who’s responsible if something does go wrong? That’s going to really help the cause.

We'd still have communism here if people were so obedient and concerned about blocking traffic that millions would not go into the streets for protests in 1989.

That's a very lazy assessment of this situation with so many logical fallacies, while also demonstrating a callous disregard for other people.

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Post by JamesBarney »

dbsmith83 wrote: post #768
JamesBarney wrote: post #766

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The same amount that is endangered for a parade, a presidential motorcade, or road construction.

That is a terrible analogy. The key difference is that parades, motorcades, and road construction are planned events. Protesters who unexpectedly stop traffic do not give people opportunity to plan. side comment: Loving the downvotes for a legitimate point. When did hacker news turn into reddit?

If you need to get to a hospital they all slow you down, doesn't matter how planned the event is.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by loco5niner »

steffandroid wrote: post #134
zubspace wrote: post #36

Here's another article uncovering the brutality of the police [1]. Some of the scenes are really inhuman [2] and I feel sorry for the poor people trying to make their voices heard. I hope, that both sides, the protesters and police force will find a way, to exit that spiral of violence. But right now it looks like this won't happen. It's a shame. If the state acts harder against protesters, journalists and civilian b…

> I hope, that both sides, the protesters and police force will find a way, to exit that spiral of violence. The two sides are massively unequal in terms of power, the onus is on the police to stop the violence.

> The two sides are massively unequal in terms of power

This is certainly not true except on an individual scale.

> the onus is on the police to stop the violence.

The onus is on every individual. On each side.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by jascii »

giardini wrote: post #782
jascii wrote: post #763

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The way you are firing yourself up to commit homicide over a hypothetical situation is scary. Please seek help.

jascii says> "The way you are firing yourself up to commit homicide over a hypothetical situation..." He's isn't "firing [himself] up.." as you say, he's thinking out what could possibly happen and considering what his options are. If you wait until you're in such a situation (people are breaking into your car and threatening to harm the occupants) you simply don't have sufficient time to think out those options - yo…

I am well aware of the benefits of visualisation which is why this is so disturbing. Driving a car into a crowd is not self-defense, it is mass homicide and mentally training yourself to make that a "valid option" can be extremely dangerous.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by jcims »

JamesBarney wrote: post #784
dbsmith83 wrote: post #769

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Terrible analogies. Those are mostly planned things which give people opportunity to plan for.

Does it matter if it's planned? If you have a medical condition and you need to get to a hospital it doesn't matter whether you had a week's notice or a days notice because the need to get to a hospital is unplanned.

Yes it matters that it's planned. There are permits, detours, announcements and emergency response planning for all of the above. Here's the process for getting a parade permit in NYC

- https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/services/law-enforcement/perm....

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by jascii »

dbsmith83 wrote: post #771
jascii wrote: post #760

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We should really have laws against commuting, commuters block traffic way more frequently than protests do.. Work is an escalation that could literally cost lives..

You're just being obtuse now. It's a shame you don't value ordinary people's lives. It's a very privileged position to be in.

The simple fact is that no people have been killed due to a protest blocking the road. People have been killed by police violence.

Theoretical grandstanding over an unlikely hypothetical scenario to condemn protesters is being obtuse.

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