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Post by blockmarker »

metalgearsolid3 wrote: post #242
illuminated wrote: post #183

I know it is "never too late" for things like this to happen, but it's definitely late. One of the main reasons for bad things to happen is the lack of education (which, in turn, leads to resist to change) and, therefore makes people prone to believe to unbelievable things. Social platforms like Twitter should have long had things like "fact checking" ANY statements and should have restricting not only violence glori…

I disagree that Twitter has been missing "fact checking". Instead I think the problem was bots. Take an obviously absurd political viewpoint, which nowadays has to be really absurd. Here's an example: Tom Cruise should be president of the United States. Scientology will make America great again. Sounds pretty fucking absurd, right? But throw in 50 million bots on Twitter and Instagram pretending to be Americans who t…

Are you seriously saying that 49% of US voters are white supremacists? This is one of the most absurd conspiracy theories I have ever heard.

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Post by tathougies »

xigency wrote: post #625
_fq4v wrote: post #618

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Completely agree with trump here honestly. Looting private business is not a form of protest against the police or the state for that matter.

You should investigate the racial history of the phrase “when the looting starts, the shooting starts” and also consider whether property crime deserves loss of life.

> property crime deserves loss of life.

This is not an isolated incidence of property crime. This is utter destruction more akin to waging a total war against a particular district of Minneapolis. It's a form of terrorism.

Property -- in the form of business and services -- is essential to life. There is no absolute distinction between the two, despite what some pretend. These people are breaking property in their own community and then expect investors or the very government they're protesting to step back in and rebuild.

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Post by zo1 »

tunesmith wrote: post #766
dependenttypes wrote: post #752

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> The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting, that's the line. Is this supposed to be bad? I actually wish that our own PM had done the same. I am sure that the citizens of a lot of countries that live under the rule of criminal syndicates, looters, and highwaymen would agree. It seems that the US citizens are fine with state mandated violence a…

> Is this supposed to be bad? Yes. > I actually wish that our own PM had done the same. That would be bad. > I am sure that the citizens of a lot of countries that live under the rule of criminal syndicates, looters, and highwaymen would agree. They are also bad. What is better is to have a functional police system that responds proportionately.

We wouldn't be here at all if the police were allowed to address this properly. It either wouldn't have escalated, or they'd be overwhelmed and the army would have had to have been called in to assist. I don't understand why this is so complicated. People pay taxes to be protected from such violence. It's the reason we're told to shut up and go to Somalia when we complain about taxes. But when it comes down to it, nothing happens. Local acts of terrorism and people are left to defend themselves, possibly without the capability to own a firearm too.

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Post by Valgrim »

dependenttypes wrote: post #752
ikeyany wrote: post #192

People are wondering "How far does this go? How can Twitter say this is not cool, but allow something like violent movies or games? Where's the line?" The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting, that's the line.

> The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting, that's the line. Is this supposed to be bad? I actually wish that our own PM had done the same. I am sure that the citizens of a lot of countries that live under the rule of criminal syndicates, looters, and highwaymen would agree. It seems that the US citizens are fine with state mandated violence a…

It is bad because the value of human life (even people you don't like) is infinitely greater than material goods. A looted store can be repared, restocked, rebuilt. A dead human stays dead forever and yields a mountain of grief around him. They are not comparable at all.

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Post by dpoochieni »

TrackerFF wrote: post #519
pnako wrote: post #436

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If the lies are obvious, why do they need "fact checking"?

Because some people can't think for themselves, unfortunately.

^ Exhibit #1, typical progressive elitism, moderated with a carefully thought last word as to signal the rest of the group he is not actually a bad person.

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Post by tathougies »

yedava wrote: post #645
_fq4v wrote: post #618

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Completely agree with trump here honestly. Looting private business is not a form of protest against the police or the state for that matter.

Really? People who steal should be shot?

If you steal a TV, yeah honestly. There's a difference between stealing food or money to feed yourself or provide for your family and stealing luxury goods. I have lots of sympathy for the former, very little for the latter. The latter is a form of terrorism meant to intimidate businesses many of whose owners are likely members of your own community.

I don't understand the modern desire to excuse theft. Theft is a form of terrorism; it is not okay, and is really high up there on the list of serious crimes that damage society.

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Post by joshuamorton »

tVoss42 wrote: post #734
buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #718

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It depends. And the problem that people have is that social media companies want to be both publishers and platforms. For example, T-Mobile is a platform. They aren't responsible for anything you say when on the phone, using their network. CNN is a publisher. They are responsible for anything that gets posted on their website, and can get sued accordingly. Social media companies want to choose what is posted on their…

This is precisely what Trump's executive order targets. Section 230 of the CDA gave websites and social media networks a little wiggle room in the platform vs publisher stance. They could moderate as they see fit without being liable for the content on their sites. Now that's being weakening, or more precisely becoming more well defined by the FCC. There will be strict requirements to be considered a platform, one ex…

This is incorrect. Section 230 does protect certain entities. It removes liability from certain types of content.

A website that contains both first party and third party content has section 230 protection on the third party content, but none on the first party content. There is no legal basis for the idea of "publisher" as different from "platform". If a website makes a modification to a specific piece of content, they may lose section 230 protections over that particular piece of content, but they retain it on all other 3rd party content.

The FCC cannot change the requirements to gain "platform protection" because there are none, because section 230 applies to content (like a tweet), not entities (like "Twitter").

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Post by tathougies »

anigbrowl wrote: post #762
downerending wrote: post #715

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This is the bit I don't get. I regularly ignore the utterances of all sorts of people I'm not interested in hearing from. Is it really that hard?

Given that the president is invested with enormous power and has proved both able and willing to upend others' lives for political ends, pretending that he's just another random e-celeb seems kind of disingenuous.

Well the problem then is the overgrowth of executive power in the past two decades. Unfortunately, literally everyone was silent on that during both the Bush and Obama administration as well, and now are complaining that their chickens have come home to roost.

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Post by cryptica »

geofft wrote: post #374
partiallypro wrote: post #333

Twitter is well within the rights to do this, but I have seen tweets from blue check marks essentially calling for violence and Twitter didn't remove them. So, does that mean Twitter actually -supports- those view points now? If Twitter is going to police people, it needs to be across the board. Otherwise it's just a weird censorship that is targeting one person and can easily be seen as political. Everyone is applau…

There is absolutely some truth that the mainstream media and tech giants are colluding to silence conservatives - the truth is that the mainstream "conservative" position in the US happens to involve behavior that runs afoul of neutral content norms (don't threaten people with violence, don't call them racial slurs, don't dox people, etc.) disproportionately more often than people with other political beliefs. Sure,…

I think this is actually a balanced argument.

HN should have a setting so that the most downvoted posts show up at the top of the page... That would save me a lot of scrolling to get to the unpleasant but accurate content.

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Post by MarkLowenstein »

I'd like to see a system like this: if your tweet is blocked for a reason, all you have to do is find a tweet that's worse than it is for that same reason, that is not already blocked. If the moderators agree then yours is unblocked and the other's is. Maybe disputes with the moderators' decision can be public, so people can see which way the wind blows with the particular social media platform.

Lots of people here will propose ways of gaming this system, such as setting up fake accounts where they make worse tweets. I don't want to pre-argue with them by making this post really long though. I think that starting with this design it's probably possible to tweak it to encourage honesty.

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