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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by asdfasdfa11112 »

gedrap wrote: post #737
rootlocus wrote: post #576

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Thankfully, freedom of speech is such an integral part of the US, that there is not one side trying to control what the other can say, and the other doing the same back. Sure, you and Donald Trump can say whatever you please. Nobody's restricting your freedom of speech. However, what you say betrays who you are. And what Trump said showed he's a liar, misogynist, tech illiterate, arrogant and overall a disgusting h…

Sorry but your comment simply indicates the problem. It's quite similar to the post-Brexit discussions, how pro-Bexit people are stupid, etc. We can talk about what a "liar, misogynist, tech illiterate, arrogant and overall a disgusting human being" he is all we want. It would probably be fine, as in it wouldn't really matter, if he was some random radical weirdo with an audience of a dozen equally weird folks. But h…

I also think the shouting of "liar, misogynist, ..." -- that type of reaction by people, to call others names -- is a component of what led people to vote for Trump.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by carapace »

_qbjt wrote: post #349
betolink wrote: post #240

People here giving Thiel a free pass on his views and support for bigotry is just disgusting.

Ironically, bigotry is defined as "intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself". I'm not defending Trump but it's fairly obvious to any non-partisan that the left wing is just as guilty of this.

Look, it's not rocket science:

    Tolerant of   |   Tolerance | Yes
    Intolerant of |   Tolerance | No
    Tolerant of   | Intolerance | No
    Intolerant of | Intolerance | Yes
It's a little nicer as a 2x2 table, but whatever.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by tptacek »

dlss wrote: post #489
tptacek wrote: post #426

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Why exactly am I meant to be comforted by the fact that the craven opportunists --- the lowest of the low of the Republican party, discredited outsiders like Newt Gingrich and John Bolton --- are getting the most important positions in the United States government for kowtowing to Trump? There are important thinkers in the Republican Party. People with ideas and a moral core, people who have given years of service to…

> Why exactly am I meant to be comforted by the fact that the craven opportunists --- the lowest of the low of the Republican party [...] are getting the most important positions in the United States government for kowtowing to Trump? Twenty-three days ago you and Marco sought to get Peter Thiel removed from YC for his support of Trump[1]. This is to say you were explicitly working to ensure that respectable people w…

I stand by every comment I wrote on that thread. If you'd like to discuss one in particular, cite it.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by Prefinem »

hamtaroPhD06 wrote: post #508
jacquesc wrote: post #501

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Agreed. But if you call anyone who disagrees with you on economic policy a racist and sexist, it opens the door for an actual racist and sexist to get in.

Which is not the case right now. So yes the president elect of the US is racist and sexist and a % of his supporters are openly racist and/or sexist people. This is not a disputed fact in anyway

But when you claim that "all" his supporters are racists and sexists, you lose validity and just enrage people who are not which has adverse reactions

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by masondixon »

carapace wrote: post #729
masondixon wrote: post #632

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> Same sex marriage Trump: The Supreme Court has issued an opinion on this. Same-sex marriage is an issue that should have been decided by the states. There are many LGBT supporters of Trump. Milo Yiannopolous is a hero amongst all Trump supporters, and he is gay. The world has moved on - Democrats just want something to be angry about. > Freedom of religion It is about terrorism and not about religion. > He would "s…

Okay, this is why people don't want to listen and debate you: you're living in a weird cartoon universe where "President Trump" isn't a sick joke. Just to take one minor example : Milo Yiannopolous is a racist bully. That's literally the only thing most people who have heard about him know about him. "Milo Yiannopolous? Isn't he that racist bully who picked on the actress from the 'Ghostbusters' movie?" You calling t…

Out of all the comments in this thread, you win the prize.

I said: Liberals just say everyone is a racist bully and then don't want to listen.

You say: Milo is a racist bully. I don't want to listen and debate you.

I hope you are influential and charistmatic, because your desseminated ignorance will help Trump win in 2020.

Thank you!

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by FullMtlAlcoholc »

BurningFrog wrote: post #724
dev1n wrote: post #697

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Not when you are getting strong-armed by the likes of Putin. I can only imagine how Trumps "business-sense" will fail him upon entering Beijing, much like Bush and Clinton failed to keep their resounding statements of "strategic competitors" and "butchers of Beijing"[1] after arriving during their respective terms. Trump has even less foreign policy acumen than the other two and I can only imagine he will bow down to…

> I can only imagine he will bow down to both Russian and Chinese demands My worry is the opposite. Trump's style is furious counter attack at the slightest provocation. That's obnoxious when you're a jerk billionaire. It's more serious when you control the deadliest military machine in history.

I still dont see why people refer to Trump as some negotiating savant. Time after time, its been shown that hes notoriously thin skinned and easy to rattle. During the 3rd debate he was not doing terrible until Hillary commented that he's only successful because daddy gave him money. Trump's inherent identity and belief that he was responsible for all of his own success being under attack in a public forum caused him to become apoplectic. You could see the anger rise, his face turned beet red, he saw red, wasn't thinking clearly and it was then that he went off the rails and his performance suffered. It was clear he had been rattled and veered far off message.

I imagine this is his personality. Whatever the case, it has been a constant since I became aware of him from Howard Stern during his playboy years in the 1980's. New Yorkers are well aware of this, his ego and his compulsive need to settle scores with reporters and others for any perceived slight whether imagined or real when he was a fixture of Page 6. Someone like Putin or anyone else with a poker face and on even footing could play him like a fiddle, alternating between awe/flattery and hurling passive aggressive insults.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by rootlocus »

asdfasdfa11112 wrote: post #781
gedrap wrote: post #737

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry but your comment simply indicates the problem. It's quite similar to the post-Brexit discussions, how pro-Bexit people are stupid, etc. We can talk about what a "liar, misogynist, tech illiterate, arrogant and overall a disgusting human being" he is all we want. It would probably be fine, as in it wouldn't really matter, if he was some random radical weirdo with an audience of a dozen equally weird folks. But h…

I also think the shouting of "liar, misogynist, ..." -- that type of reaction by people, to call others names -- is a component of what led people to vote for Trump.

So you think it's ok to say everything Trump said during his campaign, and NOT be called out for it because... it's wrong to call people names?

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by masondixon »

frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #730
masondixon wrote: post #710

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> they may see everything else as somewhat irrelevant Yep. But this is what made everyone miss what was happening. It was an emotional response. But in this case Clinton provided so many analogous examples, which were ignored, which is just plain bias. As bad as someone is you always have to ask: could the same be said as my candidate? And with Hillary is was a yes on everything. It was always a question of "How coul…

> Yep. But this is what made everyone miss what was happening. What is it that you think was happening?

Trump was going to win the election.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by sangnoir »

edblarney wrote: post #643
sangnoir wrote: post #517

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> They are here in violation of the law. Serious question: which law?

"The illegal entry of non-nationals into the United States is a misdemeanor according to the Immigration and Nationality Act, which prohibits non-nationals from entering or attempting to enter the United States at any time or place which has not been designated by an immigration officer, and also prohibits non-nationals from eluding inspection by immigration officers" Even though it's nice to know the specifics, real…

Thanks - I probably read a headline somewhere that entering the US illegally is not a felony and did not consider that it could still be a crime - a misdemeanour as you said.
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