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Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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"Who wants a stylus? You have to get 'em, put 'em away, you lose 'em. Yuck! Nobody wants a stylus. So let's not use a stylus." -Steve Jobs

They did repeatedly mention that the main way of interacting with it was touch, and that the stylus and touch can be used together.

So it's an extra feature. This differs from earlier touchscreens that required a stylus and the strength of 10 mighty men to get that cheap touchscreen to register.

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Would that might it wrong, though? There have been 3rd party pens and they were terrible and unnecessary. The multiple inputs, sensors, etc. will probably make this Apple stylus pretty useful. In this case, maybe Apple is the first to get it right.

The pen on Samsung's Galaxy Note was great

I find the button gets in the way though and I inadvertently press it

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I think this is the angle of attack that Apple is taking here. They want to catch up to the handwriting and sketching abilities of Surface, but they don't want a hybrid OS. In a lot of ways the Surface is a laptop with a detachable keyboard and the OS and eco system is still based on that. Apple wants their eco system to develop from a clean touch OS base into productivity areas. Having said that, they are really lag…

Out of interest, are Surfaces gaining in popularity in the business world?? I do not mix with sufficient business types (I associate with penny pinchers who scoff at buying cheap Windows laptops and gag when anything Apple comes along). My brother-in-law will probably love this iPad Pro as he is a financial advisor and spends a lot of time getting quotes from websites, so he loves his iPad. He hates his MacBook Pro a…

Yes, Surfaces are especially popular for enterprises right now. I think most enterprises had started to embrace iPads because iPhones are the number one phone choice, but it's a pretty easy sell to get an enterprise back on Windows when they are so entrenched in the desktop.

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I just can't figure out why Jobs, and apparently lots of other people, are against adding an extra, more accurate method of interacting with a touchscreen, without removing any of its current capabilities . I'm not taking handwritten notes with my finger, get real. A stylus totally changes the range of interactions I can have with a device.

Jobs didn't like Modes -- something you see quite a bit in todays presentation. He felt that Modes obscure the immediate discoverability of functions and they keep you from pushing your design to ensure you can use something without left clicking or pulling out a pen. It should just work.

The "no modes" approach is a good one. I do find with modern systems that the obscure hieroglyphics and no hints for buttons is just as bad though - who would have thought that a box with an arrow going into it was "share"? Or that I had to swipe left or right to show a delete option in a list? Or on Windows, that Win-U or hovering near the right showed charms?

IMHO these non-discoverable items are a barrier to use. Screens are big enough that buttons can be drawn on them, and even with text.

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Comedy "smartphone" attempts? I had a couple of smart phones before the iPhone came out and they offered several things it didn't. The fact that capacitive touchscreens and GPU acceleration weren't as good yet doesn't make them "comedy attempts". More like the incremental developments that provided the base which the iPhone was built upon. Ignoring the fact that it's all moot now, I was doing GPS navigation, multitas…

There are two kinds of personal computing products in any era: * Blatant copies of some Apple product * Rough prototypes of some future Apple product

So, in your era Apple is the centre of the universe?

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Oh, is that why? I thought current multi-touch technology interfered with the Wacom-style force sensor, but I could have imagined that.

From what I remember when I had a wacom tablet in the 90s and 2000s, the tech was something like RFID where the active tablet would read the passive puck and stylus and get sub millimeter accuracy from triangulation. This included tilt and angle of the stylus. The stylus pressure and buttons was a sensor on the stylus that was sensed by the tablet. The screen or surface didn't have any sensors.

Very informative, thanks!

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Exciting to see the Apple Pencil/Smart Keyboard - this appears to be very similar to the Surface Pro 3, leaving the ball in Microsoft's court for their Surface Pro 4. (Leaving aside all the differences in software)

You can't really compare them without talking about the software, though. The Surface runs a full desktop OS in addition to tablet-style apps while the iPad Pro can only run iOS apps... making the Surface better for media/content creation and the iPad Pro better for consumption. The Surface also has an active digitizer compared to the passive one in the iPad Pro for better sensitivity, resolution, and accuracy.... un…

Surface is great for consumption too.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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"We can have both Word and Excel on the screen at the same time!" - Apple, 2015. These Apple keynotes can be pretty funny.

Odd isn't it? In the June (?) keynote and El Capitan preview they highlight snapping windows side by side in full-screen mode as a wonderful new feature. Considering that non-fullscreen mode allows you to do this and fullscreen mode basically removes your ability to do proper window management, this seems odd to me. It seems they are reinventing all the window management features INSIDE fullscreen mode and calling them new features.... they could just remove window decorations like running X with no WM and call it a wonderful new "less distraction" mode?

I never use fullscreen mode - why would I with two screens or if I am writing code with documentation next to it? Videos perhaps.

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Don't iOS require some additional software to copy over files. When the easiest and simplest way is just drag and drop which is available for Android users. If you go by sales wouldn't then Android figures indicate that their approach was better?

> Don't iOS require some additional software to copy over files. When the easiest and simplest way is just drag and drop which is available for Android users. Are your saying most android devices act like USB cards? I decided to test one of mine and it didn't show up so I don't quite know what you mean by that. > If you go by sales wouldn't then Android figures indicate that their approach was better? And if you go b…

Yes most android devices act like that. I see my device as a drive in the system. Drag and Drop nothing is more simpler then that.

Op had mentioned "Apple starts from the user experience" which users prefer hence they have great sales. I questioned since Android has far better sales. I don't know what profits have to do with user experience. If users preferred Apple approach should it not then have more sales?

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