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Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by b40d-48b2-979e »

jmhmd wrote: post #768
b40d-48b2-979e wrote: post #755

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With LLM tools being widely available, it's extremely high, imo.

Hah, I'm neither a bot nor written with any help from an LLM, but I'll take the fact that you can't tell the difference as a compliment :)

It's not meant as a slight against you, but an observation on people blindly trusting Internet commenters in a time where our trust is (or should be?) at an all-time low for such content, so we should check our priors to ensure what we're consuming can be trusted and is verifiably true as LLMs exude confidently incorrect behavior.

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by atonse »

tempfile wrote: post #717
sbarre wrote: post #691

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I think you (and others) are getting caught up in your own worse-case interpretation of the words of that statement, instead of looking at the intent of it. It is perhaps not the best wording but I think it's pretty easy to take that "megabytes per second per dollar" statement and choose to interpret it less poorly, and more like "having better, cheaper and more abundant useful data about yourself and your health".

Huh? You don't have to come up with an interpretation. The brief says it "looks a lot like today's MRIs but at nearly a hundred times the speed". They don't explain why having a hundred times as many MRI images would lead to better diagnostic outcomes. It is not like ultrasound scanning is a new idea, and they don't give any particular reason why this suggestion was not used before (other than "...data?")

It's not just about better diagnostic outcomes. Currently MRIs are a horrible, claustrophobic experience, and MRI machines are so insanely expensive that it is a bigger deal just to prescribe one.

So even if it is only as good as an MRI, or even 80% as good as an MRI, if it is much cheaper and much more pleasant to go through, you will get MORE people doing it, and get it prescribed in more situations.

That's at least how I read the benefits, democratization of imaging techniques rather than just improvement.

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by GTP »

OGWhales wrote: post #693
GTP wrote: post #602

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Just to add to this. My heart pumps blood in a known but different way than normal. I know because, to practice sports in my home country, it is required to undergo a specific checkup that includes an ECG. However, despite doing that visit many times, only two doctors ever mentioned this condition. The reason is that it causes no issue at all, so they just don't want to worry people for nothing by telling them their…

I would rather know that than have the information hidden from me. It's also not hard to imagine a scenario where such quirks are harmless on their own, but might be relevant in the future or for reasons the doctor is missing. I guess it's true some people would panic at any sort of quirk they find, but I find that frustrating as someone that doesn't think that way. Further, as someone that has spent far too much tim…

> I think it could help the world a lot if we had something like this to improve our understanding of more outlier cases

Was this presented as an opportunity for researchers to be able to run more large scale studies involving full scans I woukd have a different take. This is however presented as a shiny toy to be put in a spa, that gives you images you don't know how to interpret anyway, or at best gives you some AI-powered report.

The rest that you're saying points more to issues of you country's Healthcare system, and it isn't clear if and how this technology would improve that.

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by dominotw »

iandanforth wrote: post #748
jmhmd wrote: post #683

Some initial thoughts as a practicing radiologist: - This looks really cool and I hope they keep innovating on this. I love seeing new modalities develop and despite my (many) reservations and criticisms, if even one good use case comes out of it that truly helps people, it's tech money well spent imo. - They show the reconstructed images as though they are a low resolution CT, and promise that quality will improve a…

Not a physician. Some observations on these statements. The predicate is "given how we practice medicine and the limits of humans ability to interpret the imaging modalities we have." The more specific predicate is "for my specialty would this replace or prove superior to the tools that I have?" Both of these are totally reasonable, however the history of medicine, and science in general, is that creating new ways to…

> The full picture of the body's response to specific foods that I ate was eye opening.

you were surprised to find out that stress and carbs raise blood sugar?

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by dominotw »

b40d-48b2-979e wrote: post #729
conroydave wrote: post #719

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this is why i always come to hacker news for the expert opinions. thank you for being critical yet optimistic.

You don't know if the opinion is expert. You don't know who that person is or what credentials they even have. Blindly trusting something that sounds right is a terrible way to inform yourself.

they have md in the username

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by pigpop »

nlkkjhlkjsd wrote: post #662
moduspol wrote: post #643

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The way we figure out how to catch issues before you notice them (i.e. proactively keeping you healthy) and figure out the best ways to fix them (i.e. reactively helping you get back to healthy) is by having more data from more people in more situations, so we can make those determinations. I understand some of the current fatigue around biohacking and chasing perhaps-irrelevant metrics, but takes like this surprise…

I've been reading this website on and off for years now, and I remember one time I read that a silicon valley startup was selling a "smart cup" that would send you detailed statistics of how much water you drank (assuming you used your smart cup for every drink throughout the day). I suspect if I pitched this to doctors, they would say just drink when your thirsty; you don't need all that data. But that's not the poi…

It's funny because these criticisms are similar to the ones that Raymond Damadian faced when he was trying to develop the MRI. He was criticized for just being a doctor and not an NMR specialist, criticized for making bold claims based on the crude initial images that he presented, criticized for being too exuberant about the potential of the technology, criticized for only having a small group of non-expert graduate students and his own self-taught electronics and machining knowledge. He eventually founded his own company to commercialize the technology and even then he fought an uphill battle for 8 more years.

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by ChrisRR »

jmhmd wrote: post #683

Some initial thoughts as a practicing radiologist: - This looks really cool and I hope they keep innovating on this. I love seeing new modalities develop and despite my (many) reservations and criticisms, if even one good use case comes out of it that truly helps people, it's tech money well spent imo. - They show the reconstructed images as though they are a low resolution CT, and promise that quality will improve a…

I'm not a medical doctor at all, just an engineer who works in medical devices and I'm definitely sceptical about this.

I'm not totally sure of the value of an imaging system that only gives you very low resolution images if they're not accurate enough to determine anything from. You'd need a secondary CT or MRI anyway so why not skip to that?

My real concern is the dependence on external servers to reconstruct the images

Edit: From reading other people's comments, people are acting as if this is the first device trying to sell itself as improving pre-diagnosis imaging and this is totally revolutionary. This is not, and if any of the other products have convinced the entire medical industry that frequent imaging is beneficial then neither will this

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by ChrisRR »

aeonik wrote: post #596
fastasucan wrote: post #586

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Because if a "condition" doesn't impact you, will it help to be aware of it? Over treatment can be a real problem. You dont want to take medisine you dont need, or spend much time in a hospital if there is no net positive outcome.

For me? If I could have daily full 3d body scans, and time lapse healing, track injury progress, visualize and correlate food and exercise. And all I have to do is chill out about known benign cysts and tumors. Yes I think it will help. I would take that trade off. I already can feel a few cysts that have been with me for a long time, docs said I was fine, so I've already been through the stressful initiation of beni…

But from what this says, it's not accurate enough to determine benign vs cancerous lumps
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