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Post by chadgpt3 »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #744
chadgpt3 wrote: post #683

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That's the situation for Micron. Not for Hetzner, since nobody is using them to run large scale AI.

Do we actually know that? If you're an AI company during a hardware supply crunch and Hetzner has a bunch of servers they could put GPUs in and rent out to you, what makes you ignore them?

It's just not in their DNA. Hetzner is very much a do-one-thing-well business.

They might contract to AI companies to supply servers for their AI, but the total capacity of Hetzner is less than a single AI DC so it doesn't seem very useful.

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Post by chadgpt3 »

cyberax wrote: post #748
chadgpt3 wrote: post #654

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Got some info about this?

Here: https://aws.amazon.com/interconnect/multicloud/ - it's rolling out in us-east-1, and will come to other regions.

Free for 500Mbps huh? But it only connects to certain other clouds, not the internet.

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Post by omnimus »

benjiro29 wrote: post #767
omnimus wrote: post #286

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The reasons really doesn't matter. As long as they are in top of price/performance/quality nobody will switch. Once they stop to be then people will think about it.

> As long as they are in top of price/performance/quality nobody will switch. Very sure that those new prices has put them out of the whole price/performance/quality bracket. * Past: consumer level hardware for basic support, and low prices. * Now: consumer level hardware for basic support, and extreme high prices. So the entire peg for their hardware choice vs pricing, has collapsed.

If the rest of the market stays at current prices sure. It's very likely that Hetzner is just popular and ran out of hw quicker than others. I doubt they changed their market strategy, they are probably just being realistic. We will see if/when the hikes come to others.

What sucks is that it might just be that hyperscalers have long term hw contracts and completely starve any competition.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

stymaar wrote: post #764
Dylan16807 wrote: post #759

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> You are embarrassing yourself. «Ce qui est excessif est insignifiant» Or you could not be an ass. I think you're saying it would take an unreasonably extreme threshold to make that statement true? It does not. Note that "could" is different from "sufficiently motivated". Even with the limited abilities of computers then, 15% of US households had one by the end of that period, let alone the 46% and 37% numbers for s…

> 15% of US households had one by the end of that period, You realize it's like saying that automobile became mainstream in 1900-1950 and using figures from the late 50s to justify your the range you picked? > If computers were as useful as they are today, the household number would have been well over 50%. What are you doing here? The question is “how long personal computers has been a mass phenomenon”, not “how muc…

> What are you doing here? The question is “how long personal computers has been a mass phenomenon”, not “how much people from the 19th century would have bought one if it existed by then”…

Oh that's where the miscommunication is.

I'm treating "so cheap it was available for the masses" as the ability to purchase. Is there a reason I shouldn't? And yes they did exist. What didn't exist was an internet to plug them into.

They became mass affordable in that period, and tens of millions of people did buy them even without online access.

The number of actual purchasers is significantly less important than the number of possible purchasers, because we're taking about price regressions on modern day computers, not actual computer use 50 years ago.

> And there's a limit in manufacturing capacities. Nobody will invest to build a additional $50B fab to satisfy a demand that pay less than the (hyperscaler-driven, in my scenario) market price.

Why not? Most of the existing fabs were built with the expectation of, let's say 50% markup over costs. And they got similar investment.

The price is now 4x higher or whatever, for 500% markup. Even if a new entrant can't get any of that hyperscaler money at all, just being able to sell RAM at 1.5x the old price to consumers would give them >100% markup. That should be able to get billions of dollars of investment shouldn't it?

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Post by ValentineC »

l23k4 wrote: post #563
ValentineC wrote: post #535

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> you need VPN Roaming works to bypass GFW. Apparently many local employees of international businesses have a Hong Kong SIM card with generous data allowances, just so they can communicate with the outside world. > you go outside, there is always a police or some security in booth watching you. Of course cameras are also everywhere. My take on this is that because of high youth unemployment in China, there's a natio…

>Roaming works to bypass GFW. Apparently many local employees of international businesses have a Hong Kong SIM card with generous data allowances, just so they can communicate with the outside world. Isn't that basically just an IPSec VPN?

> Isn't that basically just an IPSec VPN?

I… don't know. If anyone knew exactly how GFW worked (and it adapts over time), and made something that would bypass whatever blocking or throttling happens when it does, they'd make a lot of money selling their solution.

I had difficulty using non-XRay VPNs even back to my home network, so for the most part I just used data roaming even with my laptop.

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Post by cyberax »

chadgpt3 wrote: post #772
cyberax wrote: post #748

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Here: https://aws.amazon.com/interconnect/multicloud/ - it's rolling out in us-east-1, and will come to other regions.

Free for 500Mbps huh? But it only connects to certain other clouds, not the internet.

I believe so? It connects to Internet, as long as you have a physical presence in a datacenter that is connected to one of their partners.

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Post by sshine »

robocat wrote: post #742
sshine wrote: post #679

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> Businesses charge their customers as much as they can That's very imprecise. There are multiple optima on the price/demand elasticity curve. At the two ends: Few expensive items and many inexpensive items, Hetzner has consistently operated at low margins and massive volume. Which means they charge customers as little as they can to get as many customers as possible. You'll see that evident on any price comparison c…

Your overall point is true - but I'm unsure whether you are clarifying or trying to ackshualise. And well actually, "price/demand elasticity curve" appears to be ambiguous word-salad (although a human mistake;) I do appreciate your response: it makes me think about what I should have written. You are correct that my comment was rather unclear. Most of us misunderstand how businesses maximize profits. I find economics…

Yes, I just wanted to clarify that "businesses maximize profit", they don't necessarily maximize the unit price.

Thanks for squinting and finding sense in how I said it. It's been 12 years since I took an econ course.

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Post by nchmy »

freefaler wrote: post #695
nchmy wrote: post #637

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What are you talking about? They have plenty of dedicated servers available at the click of a button...

https://3hcloud.com/pricing#Dedicated-servers Dedicated servers Looking for bare metal? See all available configurations here. and "here" is linked to https://3hcloud.com/contact/sales

Apologies, I thought you were saying hetzner was mostly vps. Didn't realize you were saying 3hcloud

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Post by chadgpt3 »

cyberax wrote: post #776
chadgpt3 wrote: post #772

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Free for 500Mbps huh? But it only connects to certain other clouds, not the internet.

I believe so? It connects to Internet, as long as you have a physical presence in a datacenter that is connected to one of their partners.

So you connect AWS to Oracle and connect Oracle to some colo and have a server at that colo and get internet access there and then you're done?

Probably still cheaper than AWS egress

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Post by lylo »

preisschild wrote: post #582
lylo wrote: post #569

Hetzner could win back some of that love if they release the long-rumoured managed Postgres offering at a price that undercuts most of the competition.

I'd prefer that they concentrate on the "cloud servers" (better networking, more availability, BOYIP via BGP). You can always just host Postgres yourself on one of those servers.

yeah that's what i do, but i kinda would like managed where i don't have to think about it ;)
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