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Citing 'severe' math deficits, UC faculty demand a return to SAT tests for STEM

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Re: Citing 'severe' math deficits, UC faculty demand a return to SAT tests for STEM

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Post by Danox »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #96
collabs wrote: post #38

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I am thinking why not use the iPad simply as a letter pad with infinite pages? the new iPad with the new iPad pencil can do that and I am sure with the right software you can write, erase, rewrite as much as you want? What am I missing?

The point is that it's foolish to require inserting an iPad into the classroom purely for the sake of using an iPad. The goal (or proposed benefit) should be identified first, and then decide what the best tools to achieve that are.

Those students that have the discipline and have an iPad and can use Goodnotes or Notability they are just gonna be ahead of the rest, like typing the earlier you learn the better off you’re going to be, and there are no shortcuts if you are a student.

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Post by bawolff »

vnce wrote: post #752
plemer wrote: post #750

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Have you ever taught?

Yes and I standby genxy’s comment. It was always a question of motivation, not ability.

I always find these types of explanations doubtful, because you can always dismiss someone of subpar ability as not trying hard enough or you could define trying hard enough in a way that is not defacto practical.

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Post by fsckboy »

tptacek wrote: post #766
fsckboy wrote: post #760

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I'm really not all that interested in whatever this is. You made an objective claim about the science that is false. That's all I care about.

again you dodge providing citations for your "I wish" fever dreams about science

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7RgN9ijwE4 -- tptacek

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Post by winterbourne »

t0mpr1c3 wrote: post #117
japhyr wrote: post #18

Anecdotal data point: My son is finishing 9th grade, and he's taking 10th grade math because he got ahead a year when he was younger. At his school, you're exempted from having to take the final exam if you're passing with a reasonable grade at the end of the semester. He said there are about four students who don't have to take the final exam. Math has always been hard to teach well, because issues with earlier math…

True. COVID has set the entire cohort back, in terms of education but also every other aspect of personal development.

The IQ loss from neurological damage caused by COVID wasn't helpful either. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2311330

Re: Citing 'severe' math deficits, UC faculty demand a return to SAT tests for STEM

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Post by tptacek »

fsckboy wrote: post #773
tptacek wrote: post #766

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I'm really not all that interested in whatever this is. You made an objective claim about the science that is false. That's all I care about.

again you dodge providing citations for your "I wish" fever dreams about science https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7RgN9ijwE4 -- tptacek

Your own citation refutes your original claim. Why would I add another?

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Post by thot_experiment »

WalterBright wrote: post #763
dnautics wrote: post #714

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education is highly funded. teachers are not paid well because there is a perception that "anyone can be a teacher" (which is true in the sense that there is no particular enumerable qualification or credential that makes you a good teacher) so the market is full of people who decide that they should be a teacher (many should not, but there is no a priori way of knowing). supply high. a lot of education funding goes…

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lmao, you're completely out to lunch, my friend is a teacher in one of the most well funded districts in the entire country and it's a decent job but it's an incredible amount of work and he's not making an amazing wage considering how much he needs to work outside of school hours

i can only imagine the horrors faced by teachers even on the other side of the bay, much less in a red state that isn't the fourth largest economy in the world

tenure protections can be problematic, but so are activist parents, the system isn't great but it is necessary to some extent, your exposure to bad actors as a teacher is massive and requires commensurate protection, just stochastically you'll get parents trying to get you fired every once in a while

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Post by Danox »

koolba wrote: post #122
kleiba2 wrote: post #28

I used to teach high school math. There was a big push for doing everything digitally. And admittedly, for some topics the use of technology in the classroom or at home can really be a benefit, for instance visualizations or interactive exercises. But having a digital device in class was the number one cause of distraction every time. For a lot of things, good old blackboards are just fine as are pen + paper exercise…

They got rid of paper because teachers are lazy and do not want to spend time grading things by hand. I’ve spoken to the head of curriculum at a school asking why when given the choice of paper or digital format of a math exam, they picked the digital. I specifically mentioned it’d be inferior as students would not be able to draw atop geometry problems or cross out numbers when simplifying expressions. The response…

The best english/writing teacher I ever had was a teacher who believed you should write and write and write some more and he wasn’t afraid to grade papers and critique what you had written. That teacher was a teacher at a junior college at a time when I went back to school in my late 20s. Mr. Kitchell

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Post by fsckboy »

tptacek wrote: post #766
fsckboy wrote: post #760

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[flagged]

I'm really not all that interested in whatever this is. You made an objective claim about the science that is false. That's all I care about.

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Post by defrost »

fsckboy wrote: post #773
tptacek wrote: post #766

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I'm really not all that interested in whatever this is. You made an objective claim about the science that is false. That's all I care about.

again you dodge providing citations for your "I wish" fever dreams about science https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7RgN9ijwE4 -- tptacek

More substance, less cheap shot uTub clips if you please.

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by Danox »

onjectic wrote: post #770
SoftTalker wrote: post #199

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If you have attention difficulties perhaps uni isn't the place for you.

This is awful advice… Academia, specifically STEM, is already oversaturated with people on the opposite side of the spectrum from “attention difficulties” but are otherwise only above-average people intellectually. They were able to follow the beaten path to the letter all their lives, but are not really capable of making meaningful contributions to their field. We should be filtering these people out more not less.

That can work both ways for every brilliant person there is also the completely antisocial brilliant person whom cannot work within groups. One of the best mathematician's I worked with just could not work with other people eventually, he was let go another just could not follow instructions he tried to do too much and he was also let go from our design department. Both did made it through school and we’re qualified.
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