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Post by 9991 »

daytonix wrote: post #271
MiiMe19 wrote: post #245

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The one that forced people into their homes, required proof of medical operation to shop at stores, and tries to abolish my second amendment rights? Or the one that god forbid is deporting people that shouldn't be here in the first place.

also how do you reconcile your belief in second amendment rights with alex pretti's death at the hands of ice, an organization empowered by the current admin?

The guy who decided to wrestle with law enforcement officers performing their lawful duties?

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by nothrabannosir »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #681
Gareth321 wrote: post #663

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> Does this administration care to much about the law? As a European my opinion of Trump could not be any lower, but it is my understanding that they have complied with all court orders to date (with some being contested all the way to the Supreme Court). They are certainly testing the authority limits of various courts and congressional processes, but they have complied with all legal processes to date.

Notable exception: the TikTok ban.

There’s discussions in a (thankfully banned) sub thread pulling this into question so I just wanted to add sources:

> The short-form video-hosting service TikTok was under a de jure nationwide ban in the United States from January 19, 2025, until January 22, 2026, due to the US government's concerns over potential user data collection and influence operations by the government of the People's Republic of China. However, the ban was not enforced. The ban took effect after ByteDance, the China-based parent company of TikTok, refused to sell the service before the deadline of the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act (PAFACA). Prior to the ban, individual states, cities, universities, and government-affiliated devices had restricted TikTok.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_ban_TikTok_in_the_U...

and:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_Americans_from_Fore...

Amy Howe, Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, SCOTUSblog (Jan. 17, 2025, 12:00 AM), https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/01/supreme-court-upholds-tik...

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24-656_ca7d.pdf

The executive branch explicitly defied an act of Congress which was upheld by the Supreme Court. First Biden for one day, then Trump II as he took office and continued not to enforce the ban.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by traderj0e »

Pay08 wrote: post #685
traderj0e wrote: post #580

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Think of it as us giving them weapons for free, either way we're paying for it so their taxes don't have to. Egypt and Jordan's aid are for Israel's protection too. The only thing that has ever rivaled this was Ukraine aid, which wasn't bipartisan as we've seen.

This is the exact same logic as the people who complain about NASA "wasting" money. But beyond the fact that the aid is basically a subvention for American defence companies (Israel spends way more than 3 billion on American weapons), it also protects American weapons manufacturers from Israeli competition through other terms in the agreement, which is actually a serious threat to them.

Yep it's the same logic. Everyone knows NASA is expensive, but people disagree over whether it's worth.

That full amount of weapons aid is a cost to taxpayers no matter how it's spun. Republicans cut aid to Ukraine because it was too expensive and other countries weren't giving enough, and the hypocrisy wasn't lost on people when our govt turned around and boosted the aid to Israel instead. If weapons aid were free like you're suggesting, that $10B+ Israel gets would also go to Ukraine and anywhere else we care about. And the Mid East is unimportant compared to Europe or east Asia, that's why no other major powers are fighting over it, so our "great adversary" is just the backwards country Iran.

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Post by traderj0e »

wredcoll wrote: post #593
traderj0e wrote: post #464

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Parent comment isn't a whataboutism, if anything my comment could be seen as that. My point isn't to defend Trump's actions, only to call out that this is a scarier problem than it gets credit for when someone just blames MAGA. We're dealing with a two-front assault here, and they want you to think it's just the other party you don't like.

My comment was trying to emphasize the parent's point, I was referring to the grandparent as whataboutism. It was a tad unclear. I wish america would stop sending money to israel, for a bunch of reasons. That desire is most likely to be realized by a strong democrat majority.

We've had a Democrat majority plenty of times in the past several decades, including under Biden, and they continued the unconditional support. When congresswoman Omar called out AIPAC's influence, nearly every other Dem joined in on a written condemnation. If anything they're just less blatant than Republicans about this, also some pro-Israel groups have a niche with one party or the other.

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Post by lmm »

tordrt wrote: post #628
lmm wrote: post #447

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Was it a right he had in the first place? Many countries make it illegal for foreigners to undertake political activities as a condition of their visa, for good reason.

Which countries do this for a good reason? I dont think there is a single western country that does this.

Portugal does and they're about as westerly as non-american countries get.

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Post by anonymousiam »

-Fu wrote: post #390
anonymousiam wrote: post #172

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I've migrated everything from Google except for Google Voice. I have yet to find an alternative that can match the feature set and ease of use, regardless of the cost.

I've been using voip.ms for over a decade, they have a great feature set and are very affordable.

I took a look at their complete feature set: https://voip.ms/features#features_filters

I don't like they way they've made it harder for me to see what they actually offer vs. what I offer myself (with my FreePBX VoIP client). I wish they would (maybe on a separate page) show the capabilities of their SIP trunk. E.g. Does it support SMS? Does it support video calling? Does the client require a static IP? Etc.

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Post by nobody9999 »

crazygringo wrote: post #761
nobody9999 wrote: post #541

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>Google knows users care about their privacy, and it made the promise in its terms precisely for that reason. People pay attention to this stuff, as the popularity of this story shows. Do Google users care about their privacy? I'd expect not, given that Google is (and hasn't been shy about telling us about it) reading all their emails in order to provide more targeted advertisements. And, as I mentioned, Google hasn'…

> given that Google is (and hasn't been shy about telling us about it) reading all their emails in order to provide more targeted advertisements. That hasn't been the case since 2017. Nearly a decade ago. They stopped precisely because Google users do care about privacy -- and tracking is one thing, but scanning the content of your e-mails is another.

Yeah, sure. Whatever you say.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2025/05/07/googles-g...

https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2025/11/gmail-is-read...

https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/gmails-ai-secretly-re...

https://www.howtogeek.com/gmail-might-be-harvesting-your-ema...

https://cyberguy.com/privacy/stop-google-ai-scanning-gmail/

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Post by crazygringo »

nobody9999 wrote: post #777
crazygringo wrote: post #761

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> given that Google is (and hasn't been shy about telling us about it) reading all their emails in order to provide more targeted advertisements. That hasn't been the case since 2017. Nearly a decade ago. They stopped precisely because Google users do care about privacy -- and tracking is one thing, but scanning the content of your e-mails is another.

Yeah, sure. Whatever you say. https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2025/05/07/googles-g... https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2025/11/gmail-is-read... https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/gmails-ai-secretly-re... https://www.howtogeek.com/gmail-might-be-harvesting-your-ema... https://cyberguy.com/privacy/stop-google-ai-scanning-gmail/

Please don't be rude.

And what you're linking to is NOT what you described, "in order to provide more targeted advertisements".

Your links are describing Gemini integration. If you ask Gemini a question about your e-mails, obviously it needs to look at them. If Google is suggesting a smart reply, obviously it needs to process your e-mail to do so. But these are features designed to benefit the user.

You were talking about target advertising. That's not what your links have anything to do with.

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Post by laughing_man »

ap99 wrote: post #733
laughing_man wrote: post #662

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They can revoke your visa for supporting terrorist organizations. And they make the list of terrorist organizations, so...

And you have a problem with that? Why?

Because adding an organization to that list is (effectively) entirely at the whim of the current administration. They could add your Scrabble club if they wanted to.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by laughing_man »

rootusrootus wrote: post #769
laughing_man wrote: post #667

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When you're a huge company trying to do business in the US (or any country, for that matter) you have to think very, very carefully before you make an enemy of the government. Google could refuse to go along with this stuff and find itself the subject of a big, expensive anti-trust probe.

I think it could easily be argued that the reverse is true. Even Donald Trump would think twice about taking on Google. He might bluster about them on Truth Social, sure, but America is a corporatocracy and I'd put my money on Google. Yes, I know there are examples where he is trying to screw with big corps like Anthropic. But Anthropic is not Google.

I don't think that's true at all. Google would lose billions going head-to-head with Trump and he knows it.
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