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4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Post by egorfine »

4ggr0 wrote: post #659

i love the cognitive dissonance of some USians in this comment section who believe in both of these statements: "4chan is a US company operating in the US, sure it serves content to global users but the jurisdiction is the US, we have free speech, ..." "Sure, Company X is operating in Europe, but it also serves US users so it has to respect our laws and it's warranted for the US to apply pressure and fines." at least…

Yes, I was reading these comments today and I have seen this argument coming from different people multiple times. It's incredible, right?

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Post by joe_mamba »

dTal wrote: post #680
DeathArrow wrote: post #581

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I reading these views on HN? I had to check, it seems yes. :)

It used to be widely known that tech nerds are socially impaired. Then they built the future and earned a lot of money and status, and now Silicon Valley is a hotbed of neofascist thought. Turns out that if you give enough power to people who wrangle machines, they start thinking about wrangling people the same way. Nerds are extremely dangerous. Through their work they quickly absorb the axiom of "predictability is…

Are you saying that merely stating the practically proven fact of "diversity leads to political and social division" makes someone a neo fascist? Or did I misunderstand your comment?

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

notahacker wrote: post #617
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #544

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There are two kinds of "isolationism". In the first, the person becomes a hermit refusing to interact with anyone. In the second, a cult grabs hold of the person and isolates them from their families and loved ones so they can brainfuck them. And, I suspect this has happened to the UK. England doesn't want to be a land for the English, because to do so would make them racist. They have strength in their diversity. Bl…

Don't mistake Brits' general disinterest in engaging with foreigners whose perspective on the UK begins and ends with lecturing us on "England for the English" with us not being able to talk with anybody else...

Oh look! It's the Monty Python "Ahm not dead yet" skit, out in the wild...

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Post by joe_mamba »

philipallstar wrote: post #737
dTal wrote: post #708

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In case it wasn't clear, my comment was sarcastic. To be absolutely clear, I don't agree with racial discrimination. So that we don't talk past each other, here is a summary of my perspective of the discussion so far: NoMoreNicksLeft dropped an unhinged rant about "England for the English", including a clearly sarcastic and mocking reference to "They have strength in their diversity". joe_mamba chimed in with "divers…

Ah I think I understand. I definitely think the point is worth making that England seems to be one of the only places on earth that doesn't value - or even recognise the existence of - its own native population, even as a point of debate. It's definitely nothing to do with segregation, which is just something else. No one in most countries would argue that their native population doesn't exist as a category. In fact…

>No one in most countries would argue that their native population doesn't exist as a category.

Germany?

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Post by bcjdjsndon »

ronsor wrote: post #195
aaomidi wrote: post #145

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And you can use cctlds to bypass this too

Yes. Hollywood is mad, but piracy sites are still up and unblocked. Book publishers are mad, but Anna's Archive persists on CCTLDs. The US by and large doesn't censor websites even if the content is illegal in the US. They'll get a warrant and seize servers or domains if it's in the country, or maybe poke international law enforcement for cooperation, but it doesn't really extend beyond that.

Short memory then. Megaupload was censored by way of seizure. Exactly what you said doesn't happen in the us

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Post by ipaddr »

itake wrote: post #528
EmbarrassedHelp wrote: post #184

Ofcom is currently threatening a Canadian forum that exists to help people with depression. Ofcom claims that geoblocking blocking the UK is "insufficient": > I've also gone back to Ofcom explicitly telling them the UK was now geoblocked (twice now) and I received a response that this was insufficient. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/1rk690v/i_ru... Ofcom really thinks that their laws apply gl…

Not saying this is the same, but there are depression forums where the admin / mods promotes and sells “permanent solution” kits. People really should turn to medical professionals and not internet strangers for help. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/illegal-and-harmful-c... https://youtu.be/lUsO8ny_Dhg?si=FOPqCS2NKOZBQKg8

If everyone turned to medical professionals the system would fall apart. Many try but fail to find a space in the current system. Internet forums / llms offer another path that many have used to move forward.

Its like telling people don't talk to friends and family only go to a professional. This is how we end up in a worse mental crisis.

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Post by williamdclt »

nephihaha wrote: post #656
stackghost wrote: post #371

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>Britain still has colonies with millions of people in them. Britain does not have colonies. You might be thinking of the British overseas territory but the total population of those islands is less than 400,000

"You might be thinking of the British overseas territory" Not just them, but I'll leave it at that. Some years ago when the United Nations started critiquing colonies, the British overseas ones were rebranded as "territories" and "dependencies." (The French still have overseas colonies, the so called DOM-TOMs, and also some nearer to home.) Some of these overseas ones like Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands have over…

> the so called DOM-TOMs

Fun fact: they've not been called that in 23y, they're DROM-COM

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Post by [deleted] »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #614
swarnie wrote: post #293

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One click its Algeria, or Singapore, or Canada. We can move much faster then they can legislate.

First they came for the websites but I used vpns Then they came for vpn clients but I used free software Then they came for the payment methods but I used bitcoin Then they blocked UDP at the isp but I used satelites doe linked elsewhere Then they just came for me but nobody cared as nobody else was affected

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Post by Spivak »

egorfine wrote: post #758
troad wrote: post #375

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> not offer services to several countries The kind of vague phrasing that makes one immediately suspicious. What were these 'several countries'? Iran? Cuba? North Korea? > also US customers were 30% of the total which made it a non choice You're literally operating in the US then. It's obvious US laws would apply if you're serving US customers.

> It's obvious US laws would apply if you're serving US customers So any customer from Libya makes it customary for my female co-workers to wear hijab at the workplace, right? Same logic. No. A customer who voluntarily purchases services from a company in a different jurisdiction does NOT automatically makes this company subject to his specific jurisdiction.

She does if you want to keep doing business there. That's the stick that's available. Either you follow their laws despite not being in their jurisdiction or you can't sell to customers in Libya.

I don't like it same as you because it makes doing business on the internet complicated but it's how it works in practice.

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Post by ilovecake1984 »

ecshafer wrote: post #39

UK fining an American company for this is absurd. 4Chan isn't breaking any laws. You can make it illegal for your own citizens but you can't regulate a foreign business. UK citizens should fight for the right to free speech though.

It’s breaking uk law.

We have other crimes like this, like child sexual abuse committed in a foreign country.

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