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Re: Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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Post by rpdillon »

lucketone wrote: post #733
mothballed wrote: post #556

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Pulling a percentage out of my ass that can't be terribly inaccurate, 99% of police encounters with guns drawn the police are under 21 ft away, at which distance a knife is as dangerous as a gun. If someone is less than 21 ft from you and they are going to be using a knifes against you, then you should still draw a gun just as often as if they had a gun. So at <21 ft you think guns should be drawn less because they h…

> under 21 ft away, at which distance a knife is as dangerous as a gun. No, it is not as dangerous. To use gun from 7 meters away, you have throw it, which takes way more movement hand movement and time. While you should not rely on it, it is very feasible to just move out of the way of the thrown knife. Other possibility getting closer to you. Running will take 2 seconds. (Not a lot, but definitely not as dangerous…

The statistic isn't related to thrown weapons. It's how quickly you can close the space between you and your adversary, as well as how much bearing drift you can create as you do so.

Re: Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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Post by edmundsauto »

saltyoldman wrote: post #578
NikolaNovak wrote: post #136

I have a potentially silly question, and obviously naive - but why so many drawn guns? Fun music videos aside, what was the background here? Were they coming in on a Massive gang fortress? Or are all the stereotypes of American police forces true and they just come guns a-blazing all the time? I mean, that wasn't even police officers with hand guns, they have army-like guys with massive automatic rifles, and they see…

Not many people watch them, but there are countless videos of police stops where it's not the police drawing a gun, but the driver of the car pulled over. Often it's not just pulled- it's aimed and fired. Some cops die, thankfully many get hit in the arm and it's non fatal. It happens so much in the United States that you honestly can't blame the vast majority of at least being ready. That's not saying there aren't c…

Being a police officer is not that dangerous. You are more likely to experience death or dismemberment in like 20 other jobs.

Re: Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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Post by fny »

philwelch wrote: post #656
embedding-shape wrote: post #647

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With some strange commentary, ended up watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ozZIWy7OWk from that playlist and I'm not sure it's AI or what's going on, at one point she said Afroman called one of the police officers a "PDF" which is the first time I heard, doesn't seem Afroman actually said something like that, and I also don't understand at all what's that's supposed to mean. Doesn't seem to be a typo either?

"PDF" is a zoomer euphemism for "pedophile".

Funnily, this started because their trying to avoid perceived insta shadow banning.

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Post by Moomoomoo309 »

tptacek wrote: post #548
Moomoomoo309 wrote: post #118

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To be fair, there is legal precedent for cops not being too smart. https://ny.prelawland.com/post/719662253773832192/too-smart-... They're allowed to not hire someone if their IQ is too high. The stereotype is at the very least based on truth, and has been affirmed legally.

People keep saying this and this case from 2000 is the one instance anybody has been able to cite. Most police agencies use standardized domain-specific written exams --- the PELLETB, NTN, IOS --- that are both not general cognitive exams and have no ceiling score. This really seems like one of those too-perfect Internet myths that just isn't ever going to die. I think the balance of evidence is that if you picked an…

Sure, you can argue that despite being allowed to, most police departments do not discriminate in that way, but the legal precedent provides credence and legitimacy to the stereotype, regardless of its truthfulness, which is what I pointed out. I don't think any real data on this would be available, though, so I think most people (you and I included) just go by vibe, so in the absence of evidence one way or the other, the stereotypes will prevail, regardless of accuracy.

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Post by tptacek »

Moomoomoo309 wrote: post #775
tptacek wrote: post #548

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People keep saying this and this case from 2000 is the one instance anybody has been able to cite. Most police agencies use standardized domain-specific written exams --- the PELLETB, NTN, IOS --- that are both not general cognitive exams and have no ceiling score. This really seems like one of those too-perfect Internet myths that just isn't ever going to die. I think the balance of evidence is that if you picked an…

Sure, you can argue that despite being allowed to, most police departments do not discriminate in that way, but the legal precedent provides credence and legitimacy to the stereotype, regardless of its truthfulness, which is what I pointed out. I don't think any real data on this would be available, though, so I think most people (you and I included) just go by vibe, so in the absence of evidence one way or the other…

I would take the counterargument more seriously if anyone could name just one police department that administers IQ tests to applicants.

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Post by foobarchu »

antonymoose wrote: post #616
cortesoft wrote: post #285

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I can see the argument how you would treat a suspect with a gun differently than you would if they have a knife. However, American cops also use guns against suspects with knives or other weapons that they also use in places like Scotland. Why couldn’t American police use these techniques when the suspect doesn’t have a gun? I know the standard response is, “well, they COULD have a gun!”, but I don’t think that is a…

Historically speaking, there were a few shoot-outs in the 80s and 90s. The Hollywood shooting and I think one historically bad incident with cocaine traffickers in Miami - bad days for the police showing up with .38 revolvers and a shotgun or two fighting against a dedicated enemy with AK style weapons and body armor. The sadly predictable response of the police in America is to overmatch the “enemy.” Presume they ha…

> Historically speaking, there were a few shoot-outs in the 80s and 90s. The Hollywood shooting and I think one historically bad incident with cocaine traffickers in Miami - bad days for the police showing up with .38 revolvers and a shotgun or two fighting against a dedicated enemy with AK style weapons and body armor.

An important note for this is that this situation only happened because of Americas "war on drugs" strategy. The US government created those armed trafficker groups the same way they created the rum-runner mobsters of prohibiting.

The insanely armed domestic "enemy" generally exists because of the combination of high profit motivation with government threat. The more punishing the government is of the enemy group, the greater protective lengths they're going to resort to.

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Post by philwelch »

fny wrote: post #774
philwelch wrote: post #656

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"PDF" is a zoomer euphemism for "pedophile".

Funnily, this started because their trying to avoid perceived insta shadow banning.

Yes, this sort of thing has been a plague against the English language for a few years now, responsible for such ugly constructions as "to unalive".

(I understand and respect the linguists who would maintain a descriptivist view of this sort of thing, but I'm not a linguist and I'm not required to suspend my aesthetic opinions whenever an ugly fashion rears its head.)

Re: Afroman found not liable in defamation case

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Post by arh5451 »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #136

I have a potentially silly question, and obviously naive - but why so many drawn guns? Fun music videos aside, what was the background here? Were they coming in on a Massive gang fortress? Or are all the stereotypes of American police forces true and they just come guns a-blazing all the time? I mean, that wasn't even police officers with hand guns, they have army-like guys with massive automatic rifles, and they see…

1. Unions - Police unions wield considerable financial and political power. They hold local governments hostage demanding higher worker protections for officers and larger pensions and benefits. - To offset these higher costs, departments have been mandated to become "revenue sources" by collecting more tickets, arresting more peoples, etc. --> The affected peoples are usually the ones of least advantage, illegal immigrants, low income, and others who are unlikely to be able to afford a defense. - Higher union protections proctect bad cops, who in many cases are simply repremanded or move to another town, different department. In many cases after committing capital crimes. 2. Recruiting - Previously police were recrutied from local communities and for their amicability, ability to defuse situations/work within the community as a member. Now increasingly military background, weapon training, or other prerequisites are sought; whereby the purpose of these trainings is to kill other people not diffuse situations. 3. Media Influences - U.S. media is extremely culpable of painting all police officers as killers and mobsters. This is a very small minority. 4. Law Enforcement Support Office - The D.O.D. began a program of distributing military hardware to police departments across the U.S. nearly for free. Causing absolutely ludicrous scenes of tiny police departments having armoured vehicles and drones.
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