Can someone explain why Dario is making a public statement about this? It's also interesting that they use abstract we / they without putting exact names.
It's free positive PR, why wouldn't he?
Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War
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#772Didn't Cheney's company have the option to bid on contracts, by comparison?
Cheney (Chevron, Halliburton, Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR)) did not have a qualified blind trust (QBT) while Vice President. Cheney's office touched the presentation presented by Gen. Colin Powell which led Congress to believe that there was need to invade Iraq to save US from WMDs. Tours of duty were extended from 3 months to 24 months because "stop loss". Subsequently, the United States paid out trillions for debt-fi…
What does Anthropic need to do to retain control over their for-peace company, though they took money from DoD/DoW?
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#773"fully autonomous weapons" from a private company; "Department of War". Hard to believe I'm not reading science fiction.
Service guarantees citizenship, would you like to know more?
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#774Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also, as someone from a country that has been attacked and dragged into war, I would prefer machines fighting (and being destroyed autonomously) rather than my people dying, nor people from any nation that came to help. That's as Anthropic as it gets if your nerve expands a little bit further than your HOA.
What do you think it will happen once the machines fight off? Do you think that the losing side will be like "oh no our machines lost, then better we give our things to the winning machines"? After your machines are destroyed you will be fighting machines or machines will extract and constantly optimize you. They will either exterminate you or make you busy enough not to have time for resistance. If you have somethin…
Humans actually do exactly the same, google Mariupol or Bucha. Machines delay the moment people start dying. Good attempt in reasoning though.
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#775With all this talk about AI and autonomous weapon systems. It seems like one of John Carpenters first movies, and my favourite B-movie, is coming back strong!
Maybe I should call ChatGPT "Bomb"... I already use "make it so" for coding agents, so...
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#776I used to work at Anthropic, and I wrote a comment on a thread earlier this week about the RSP update [1]. It's enheartening to see that leaders at Anthropic are willing to risk losing their seat at the table to be guided by values. Something I don't think is well understood on HN is how driven by ideals many folks at Anthropic are, even if the company is pragmatic about achieving their goals. I have strong signal th…
> Something I don't think is well understood on HN is how driven by ideals many folks at Anthropic are After 20 years of everyone in this industry saying "we want to make the world a better place" and doing the opposite, the problem here is not really related to people's "understanding". And before the default answer kicks in: this is not cynicism. Plenty of folks here on HN and elsewhere legitimately believe that it…
Cynicism is the newspeak substitute for sincerity, no need to worry about being called a cynic in this post-truth world of snowflakes.
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#777Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Something I don't think is well understood on HN is how driven by ideals many folks at Anthropic are After 20 years of everyone in this industry saying "we want to make the world a better place" and doing the opposite, the problem here is not really related to people's "understanding". And before the default answer kicks in: this is not cynicism. Plenty of folks here on HN and elsewhere legitimately believe that it…
Exactly. At this level you don't just put out a statement of your personal opinion. This is run through PR and coordinated with the investors. Otherwise the CEO finds himself on the street by tomorrow. Whatever their motives are, it is aligned with VC, because if it is not then the next day there is another CEO. As the parent stated, this is not cynicism. I see this just rather factual, it is simply the laws of money…
> it is simply the laws of money
The First Law of Money: Money buys the Law.
Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War
#778I used to work at Anthropic, and I wrote a comment on a thread earlier this week about the RSP update [1]. It's enheartening to see that leaders at Anthropic are willing to risk losing their seat at the table to be guided by values. Something I don't think is well understood on HN is how driven by ideals many folks at Anthropic are, even if the company is pragmatic about achieving their goals. I have strong signal th…
mark my words, they will burn at some point. The government can nationalize it at any moment if they desire.
But that's socialism.
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#780Grok's thoughts on the matter: "In an ideal world, I'd want xAI to emulate the maturity Anthropic showed here: affirm willingness to help defend democracies (including via classified/intel/defense tools), sacrifice short-term revenue if needed to block adversarial access, but stand firm on refusing to enable the most civilizationally corrosive misuses when the tech simply isn't ready or the societal cost is too high.…
Ergo, those running Grok don't ... have that kind of spine.