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Heathrow scraps liquid container limit

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Post by xp84 »

NamTaf wrote: post #339
sethammons wrote: post #216

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Did you drop a sarcasm tag? Anyone can make a fire on a plane as they allow lighters on a plane, and batteries, and any number of flammable objects. None of that is facing any scrutiny nor stopping crazy people from being crazy.

Ironically, both India and China forbid lighters on planes. Famously you see a collection of them around the bins just outside the airport as all the smokers leave them for others.

"Take a lighter, leave a lighter" - Guess you can just pick up one on your way back out when you return home!

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Post by al_borland »

jen20 wrote: post #626
al_borland wrote: post #584

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That is a significant amount of hassle over something so small.

It’s really not too bad - not having to fight for overhead space and thus being able to board last makes it worthwhile even if you don’t have items prohibited in carry-on bags.

I just bring a small backpack that fits under the seat, so no worries about overhead space. Also, no baggage claim, lost luggage, or navigating ground transportation and city streets with cumbersome bags.

Most of the time I will not pack liquids, and buy them locally, so I can avoid that TSA bother as well.

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Post by mrguyorama »

morpheuskafka wrote: post #498
edm0nd wrote: post #87

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Correct. In the US, the TSA is just a government jobs program for the lowly skilled or unskilled. It's all security theater. TSA Chief Out After Agents Fail 95 Percent of Airport Breach Tests "In one case, an alarm sounded, but even during a pat-down, the screening officer failed to detect a fake plastic explosive taped to an undercover agent's back. In all, so-called "Red Teams" of Homeland Security agents posing as…

> Correct. In the US, the TSA is just a government jobs program for the lowly skilled or unskilled. This is oft repeated, but as a federal job, the bar is at least slightly higher than those typical AlliedUniversal/Andy Frain/Etc mall cop guards you see all over the place. I have no doubt that many are incompetent, but I think it is a big unfair that it gets singled out as a "jobs program" given that the bar is on th…

It is a government agency spun up to use way more bodies and funds to do the same thing that was fairly effectively being done by private industry, has no penalty for being genuinely worse, is not popular, and is repeatedly used to funnel cash to connected people, groups and companies.

FDR himself would be embarrassed about this jobs program. Digging holes and refilling them would be more productive to our country.

>An interesting comparison would be FPS, which is the agency that does security checks for federal buildings, also under DHS same as TSA

This is not an interesting comparison. DHS didn't exist until recently either, and should be abolished. The private security we had before was much cheaper and not less effective. TSA would not have prevented 9/11

The point of all of the DHS was to oppress internal dissent internally. What do you think was Bush's plans if they didn't get served an opportunity to go screw around in the middle east? His administration was pushing using Predator drones domestically in the mid-2000s.

Read "Big brother" by Corey Doctorow, which laid this all out in plain english (to literal children no less) 20 years ago. It's free.

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Post by bartread »

ghaff wrote: post #622
bartread wrote: post #454

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I don’t think it’s just the TSA tbh. A couple of years before the pandemic I managed to make it all the way from London Heathrow to Auckland, New Zealand, passing through Dubai and Brisbane on the way, with one of those USB rechargeable plasma lighters and a Gerber multitool in my hand luggage. Completely unintentional, of course, but due to #reasons I had packed in some haste and made the mistake of not completely u…

I no longer keep multitools in random bags that I sometimes also use for travel. I figure it's just a matter of time before I forget it's there when I'm packing in a hurry. (I don't travel as much any longer but still.)

You're very sensible, and that seems like an absolutely foolproof way of solving the problem.

I went through a stage where I'd keep the multitool on my belt because the carry case comes with a handy belt loop but, depending on what you're doing, it can dig in to your side/front/back or catch on things, which is annoying, and in a lot of contexts it's perhaps just one level of dweebiness too far. And, yes, I absolutely am a dweeb and have zero shame about it, but there are contexts where I need to mask at least to some extent in order to be taken seriously/function effectively which I've accepted as a "cost of doing business".

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Post by xsmasher »

James_K wrote: post #373
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #303

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Once at a security checkpoint to a museum in Shanghai, they saw my water bottle, and then told me to take it out and drink from it.

So if a suicide bomber can drink explosives, they will be fine. As long as it's not poisonous within a few hours, should be no issue.

As long as they can drink it without making a face.

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Post by mrguyorama »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #416
edm0nd wrote: post #403

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yes but the spring in the magazine does. also the rails on the lower, the barrel, etc.

Not in the context of someone smuggling a weapon through a security checkpoint. At least not unless they're certain that it's small enough not to trigger the detector. That said I will note that it is generally illegal to possess such nonferrous weapons regardless of circumstance.

And it is, again, completely irrelevant.

How does a plastic pistol open the cockpit door? It is proof to small calibers. You might shoot someone in the plane and then you will be subdued and ghaddafied with a SkyMall magazine. Not the most effective form of terrorism.

Countries that didn't create the TSA also had a reduction in terrorism.

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Post by GorbachevyChase »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #71

This just adds confusion as to the purpose of all this. The motivation behind the liquid limits is that there are extremely powerful explosives that are stable water-like liquids. Average people have never heard of them because they aren’t in popular lore. There has never been an industrial or military use, solids are simpler. Nonetheless, these explosives are easily accessible to a knowledgeable chemist like me. The…

Why do you make a dog hold a treat on his nose?

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Post by stirlo »

pelagicAustral wrote: post #445

If you think you had it bad all these years, you should come and visit the Falkland Islands. I will be brief, but I will explain what going through the Mount Pleasant Airport (MPN) feel like for the average visitor. For added context: Only one flight by a commercial airline a week on Saturday, comes in around 1300, departs around 1500. You miss it, you wait another week. - The terminal is extremely small, the plane t…

Tiny airport, on island with tiny population, thats not a major tourist destination, thats subject to competing territorial claims, that had a major war fought over it in living memory, has extra security requirements and a poor terminal...

I'm flabbergasted, this is absolutely shocking and outrageous!!!

I would much rather see the penguins in the maldives!!!

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Post by mrguyorama »

davedx wrote: post #249
jandrewrogers wrote: post #71

This just adds confusion as to the purpose of all this. The motivation behind the liquid limits is that there are extremely powerful explosives that are stable water-like liquids. Average people have never heard of them because they aren’t in popular lore. There has never been an industrial or military use, solids are simpler. Nonetheless, these explosives are easily accessible to a knowledgeable chemist like me. The…

On one hand, I think it's a valid criticism to say it's security theatre, to a degree . After 9/11, something had to be done, fast! , and we're still living with the after effects of that. On the other hand: defence in depth. No security screening is perfect. Plastic guns can get through metal detectors but we still use them. Pat downs at nightclubs won't catch a razor blade concealed in someone's bra. We try to catc…

There were plenty at the time insisting it was not needed, that TSA was an overreaction, that it was clearly grift to people connected to the Bush Admin, that we don't need to do anything even. They all pointed out that DHS was clearly an internal anti-dissent force, to be used against american citizens for daring to critique a government of grift and lies and authoritarianism taking away our rights.

They were all decried as "anti-american" or worse epithets.

They were all correct of course.

They are all being decried again right now.

It was literally called "The Patriot Act" FFS. You really think it was about security?

Note that the reason none of the passengers were ever able to regain control of the planes was the exact security measure that actually protects us now: The cockpit door. It literally doesn't matter what happens in the plane cabin, nobody can hijack a plane in the current system.

Again, TSA currently cannot catch someone going through security with plastic explosives, in their own self tests.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

eternauta3k wrote: post #539
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #100

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You can do realtime 3D flythroughs on CT scans with open source viewers. If you've ever had one, get your DICOM data set and enjoy living in the future.

Can you recommend one? I've tried Aeskulap and Amide and I found it hard to get the 3D views to work.

Inveselius works well. The UI lacks some polish but the rendering beats what most physicians have access to.
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