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Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Post by tuesdaynight »

aj_hackman wrote: post #762
tuesdaynight wrote: post #707

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It's really telling how most replies to your message are about "sexual market" or online dating. That's all some men can think of when talking about women online.

It's almost as if we desire each other.

If I summarized men online as watching pornography and following hot women on social media, people would (correctly) point out that it does not encapsulate what men do online as a whole. A lot of people do these things, but that is only part of their online experience. However, these replies are talking about OLD apps and sexual market as if women only do that online, which relates to the point of the original comment.

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Post by tuesdaynight »

throwaway173738 wrote: post #766
tuesdaynight wrote: post #707

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It's really telling how most replies to your message are about "sexual market" or online dating. That's all some men can think of when talking about women online.

When other men post about that, all I hear is a desperate cry for help.

I understand their struggles because I lived through them. However, after I got better at OLD, I understand how it gets tiring hearing about it after a while, specially from people who are clearly on a bad path. For example, treating like a market (which I don't consider a good approach) but not accepting their current value is not enough for creating any demand. And nowadays, with the gym culture being mainstream, it's getting even harder if you don't even try to be more "valuable".

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Post by glenngillen »

nostrademons wrote: post #160
SunshineTheCat wrote: post #61

I recently took someone to go and watch a hockey game. Been a little while but I personally played as a goalie myself. The person kept making the comment that she couldn't see/find the puck and it made it frustrating to watch. As a goalie, not being able to see the puck is pretty normal (especially with big bodies trying to screen you). What I told her was that what matters a lot more than where the puck is, is where…

In my anecdotal experience, it's moved to private, trust-based channels: iMessage, WhatsApp, email, face-to-face interactions. Our 30-year bender of putting our lives online and blurring the public and the private has finally ended: people don't want to be online, don't trust social media, don't really trust any media, and are living simple local lives with a small circle of friends that they get together with regula…

You just reminded me that a few years ago I was doing some product research and one of the questions I'd ask people was what technical communities they turned to regularly. To keep up with news, if they had a question to ask they needed an answer to (this was pre-LLM hype days). HN, Reddit, StackOverflow, and various Slack communities dominated the results for people I spoke to in the USA. I was shocked by how much private WhatsApp groups dominated amongst the respondents from Africa (Nigeria representing the overwhelming majority of people who I spoke to).

At the time it felt to me they were missing out on so many other useful resources. Maybe I was wrong. It's interesting to see things trending in a similar direction now.

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Post by ojosilva »

jmrm wrote: post #772

The response is ChatGPT. They're going to add ads to their responses (if they didn't added it already), and people use it as search engine.

Google is in that game too with "AI Mode", stealing traffic from ChatGPT.

But as OP and other threads here highlighted, the other ~half of the gold sits in more fenced communities like WhatsApp, IG, Telegram, and other messaging and non-digital communities that are getting their "news" and "information" from viral shorts from IG, TikTok and YT Shorts.

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Post by bix6 »

tomjuggler wrote: post #758
bix6 wrote: post #332

How long have you lived in Durban? Nice surfing pics.

20 Years now. I'm from Cape Town, but the weather here is better. And no need for a wetsuit!

Dreamy, I hope to make it out there one day. Heard good things about Mozambique as well.

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

jpster wrote: post #674
sph wrote: post #613

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I like her take-away from this experiment: Vincent stated that, after the experiment, she gained more sympathy for the male condition: "Men are suffering. They have different problems than women have, but they don't have it better. They need our sympathy, they need our love, and they need each other more than anything else. They need to be together." I respect that, compared to the arguments that sex A is having a be…

> They have different problems than women have, but they don't have it better. How can I agree with this? Material conditions matter: whatever problem you have, being poorer will make it worse. Women have been earning less than men for decades, and most highly paid execs are men, not women. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/03/01/the-end...

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Post by microtherion »

SunshineTheCat wrote: post #61

I recently took someone to go and watch a hockey game. Been a little while but I personally played as a goalie myself. The person kept making the comment that she couldn't see/find the puck and it made it frustrating to watch. As a goalie, not being able to see the puck is pretty normal (especially with big bodies trying to screen you). What I told her was that what matters a lot more than where the puck is, is where…

> From what I can tell, everyone seems to be looking at chatbots

A friend recently explained to me that this trend is awful for newer businesses trying to get into a niche:

* Chatbots give a lot of weight to Wikipedia in their training data.

* Wikipedia demands "notability" for pages being created.

* So non-incumbent businesses have a hard time getting on Wikipedia, and chatbots keep recommending incumbents.

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Post by BirAdam »

agumonkey wrote: post #250
tartoran wrote: post #134

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Any state sponsored actor can pay to play.

I'd be curious to know how much cable tv content was direct propaganda or hype on youtube most of what i see is hyped hyperbolic content, polarized podcasts, shorts.. the way and reason why "content" is produced has changed

Direct propaganda? Not too much. However, the amount of content in the 1980s and 1990s that was in some way funded by the DOD was a bit crazy. Likewise, stuff like NED funded content. If one considers corporations part of the state, then the percentage of content that was propaganda would likely be more than 40%.

Today, this would be harder to figure. Because anyone can use a VPN and pose as a person in any country, any country’s intelligence people could be carrying out misinformation/disinformation campaigns at any time. How much of the left or right content on FB that mom is reading is from genuine actors vs intelligence actors? How many calls for violent action on the left and right are just FBI entrapment or Russian attempts to destabilize the USA?

When all of this was being built, this angle never occurred to me. It should have, but it didn’t. I naively thought, as so many did, that the ability of people to connect across national boundaries, across racial and gender lines, and across socio-economic divides would lead to a better, safer, and happier world. Sadly, I was completely mistaken. The internet became worse than life AFK on those fronts, people joined echo chambers, and radicalism increased.

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