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Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Yes yes, I don't want updates. I just want updates. haha.

> People don’t like paying for software, demand constant updates and hate subscriptions. constant updates

"Don't give me security updates every time there's a security issue. Instead do it occasionally because I like my vulnerabilities to be a surprise"

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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post #203

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Fork Firefox, bundle uBlock Origin, Sponsor Block et el and sell it is a consumer web security product (that's not complete shit) with a monthly subscription. Use some of the proceeds to support the devs working on the underlying tech, similar to what Valve are doing for Wine, Proton and Fex. Bonus points: 1. Multi layered approach to dealing with ads and other malware. 2. A committment to no AI or other bloat - that…

Charging for a browser died with Netscape in 1998

I think that's false, with the current state of internet, advertising everywhere, enshitification and monetization of users private data, some people are ready to pay for services that were considered "free".

I am paying for kagi, and I would pay for a good, private browser (I know they make onion but I'm on linux, not macos or windows).

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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The interpretation is not the problem. Whether he will do it, is actually secondary to the fact that he thinks cutting adblock can bringing in money. No, it will just kill the browser. The fact he thinks otherwise tells me how out of touch he is.

Like many others, the ability to run uBO is the main reason I use Firefox. Otherwise I'd use Chrome or Safari.

There is a variant of uBO working in Safari again, if that is of any interest to you. Created by the same dev and all. I've had great results with it.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ublock-origin-lite/id674534269...

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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It's too much money for a non-profit that is failing by all possible metrics and is saying it is struggling for revenue.

Parallelly, it is on par for similar positions.

Just because something bad has been normalized doesn't make it appropriate, though.

You can argue that they won't find another CEO for less money. To that I would posit that they won't find another CEO from the MBA crowd for less money, but that is a feature, not a bug.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Charging for a browser died with Netscape in 1998

I think that's false, with the current state of internet, advertising everywhere, enshitification and monetization of users private data, some people are ready to pay for services that were considered "free". I am paying for kagi, and I would pay for a good, private browser (I know they make onion but I'm on linux, not macos or windows).

Vivaldi is a decent option if you aren't specifically looking to get off Blink as the engine. It has an integrated adblocker and many other privacy-related features.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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The words "bigot" and "racist" have been so overused that they've lost all meaning. "Fascist" is not all that far behind. In a recent interview, Nick Fuentes (much more deserving of the bigot label than Eich) openly said he's a racist. I suspect he lost 0 supporters by doing this. Abusing the language like this has consequences - not good ones.

Definition of bigot from Oxford Languages: a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. Explain how the word isn't being used according to its definition. > Nick Fuentes openly said he's a racist. Do you doubt him? In March 2025, he said,…

I think GP's point isn't that Fuentes isn't racist, it's that the term "racist" lost a lot of its bite precisely because it was thrown around so recklessly and applied to people who obviously weren't "bad guys". So now you can actually go and openly say things like "I'm racist" and mean it, and there's still plenty of people who don't see a problem with that.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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post #549

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Indeed, Mozilla has a particular bad habit of not listening to customers. It shows even in the UI design. Features like tab pinning and tab groups work in ways that are sub-optimal to how users want to use them. A pinned tab should not be tied to a specific URL. If you go their forums you see a lot complaints, and weird thing is all the nonsensical arguments that their reps advance as to how these features should wor…

I'm confused, because I desperately want pinned tabs to stay on their URL, but that's not what happens, and I end up with random URLs in these tabs because I click links. Is there a config flag I flipped without thinking?

Yeah, I don't get why I'd want to pin a tab and then change the url (which I do accidentally for a pinned tab every couple of weeks or so). When it's not the site I pinned, it's just...a tab?

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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"When I use a text-only browser then no "adblock" is necessary" So you browser as if it were 1999? Yup, no ads back then.

The first ad blocker was released in 1996 [1] and in 1999 we had a lot of shiny, blinking and very colorful ads already [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_blocking#History [2] https://www.webdesignmuseum.org/exhibitions/web-banners-in-t...

Yes, but there is no song with the line: party like it's 1996. Simply doesn't work.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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I think that's false, with the current state of internet, advertising everywhere, enshitification and monetization of users private data, some people are ready to pay for services that were considered "free". I am paying for kagi, and I would pay for a good, private browser (I know they make onion but I'm on linux, not macos or windows).

Vivaldi is a decent option if you aren't specifically looking to get off Blink as the engine. It has an integrated adblocker and many other privacy-related features.

I'm specifically avoiding chrome-based browser as form of protest against google's monopoly.

Currently using waterfox, but might go for librewolf... In any case I'm very interested in servo, even thinking of contributing to it.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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post #68

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Which alternatives though? On Mac at least, I'm not aware of any viable non-Chromium alternatives.

...Safari?? Apple doesn't collect your browsing data, they build in privacy controls that are pretty much as strong as they can manage given the state of the world, and while it doesn't support uBO, it supports a variety of pretty solid adblockers (I use AdGuard, which, AFAICT, Just Works™ and even blocks YouTube ads most of the time, despite their arms race).

> Apple doesn't collect your browsing data

That's what their marketing want you to believe, at least.

Their privacy policy is very clear it's not the case though:

> we may collect a variety of information, including:

> […]

> Usage Data. Data about your activity on and use of our offerings, such as app launches within our services, including browsing history; search history;

(emphasis mine)

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