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Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by rahimnathwani »

jph00 wrote: post #711
rahimnathwani wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your point about Stanford having a larger-than-average proportion of 'extremely gifted' kids is reasonable. Perhaps the smartest 20% at Stanford are drawn from the smartest 0.1% nationally. But I think you're too dismissive of this part: The professors Horowitz interviewed largely back up this theory. "You hear 'students with disabilities' and it's not kids in wheelchairs," one professor told Horowitch. "It's just no…

Your request to read charitably is not supported by your followup of cartoonish straw man questions. You are using rhetorical trickery to make a point rather than engaging in honest dialog.

I used no trickery.

I am attempting to ascertain where you draw the line.

I offered examples that I presume we agree on, on both sides of the line.

Then I gave an example where we might disagree.

If you feel my questions are 'cartoonish straw man questions' then that of course is your right.

However, I want to make it clear that:

- you mischaracterized the quotation from the professor in the article

- I would honestly like to understand (i) whether you agree there is a line to be drawn between things that correct for impediments that are irrelevant to the competency being tested, and (ii) where you would draw that line.

If the manner in which I've written my questions makes it seem like I have any intention other than to understand your position more clearly, I apologize.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by lostmsu »

quickthrowman wrote: post #443
lostmsu wrote: post #73

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> The percentages of workers that are neurodivergent is much higher than usual Is it much though? 38%? I haven't seen one in 15 years across 5+ different companies. > there's a big cadre or neurodivergent people that are just in the line where they are very productive workers anyway Alternatively, it just became popular to label others or oneself that way. And tech elites have nothing better to do in free time. Also…

Have you considered the fact that you may be neurodivergent? Your assumption that you’ve never met a neurodivergent co-worker is surprising. From what I understand, some autistic people assume everyone has the same worldview and agenda as they do, they lack a theory of mind. I’m not making this accusation about you, I’m bringing it up because I find it surprising that everyone you’ve worked with is neurotypical. I ca…

> I’m bringing it up because I find it surprising that everyone you’ve worked with is neurotypical.

So there are two potential explanations there. The one where I don't see neurodivergence where it does exist and the other one where you do see it where it does not. Would you be OK with 50/50 probability each of these options being right as the baseline assumption?

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by marsupial »

shetaye wrote: post #81

Regarding Stanford specifically, I did not see the number broken down by academic or residential disability (in the underlying Atlantic article). This is relevant, because > Some students get approved for housing accommodations, including single rooms and emotional-support animals. buries the lede, at least for Stanford. It is incredibly commonplace for students to "get an OAE" (Office of Accessible Education) exclus…

"buries the lede"

oh how I hate this phrase

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by diogenescynic »

BeetleB wrote: post #316
drivebyhooting wrote: post #300

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Do you have children? I do. I still subscribe to your ideals or at least mostly follow them. But for lack of playing such games, I saw my children’s opportunities slip away.

My kids are not that old, so it hasn't come to a head yet. I presume you're talking about school performance - particularly closer to high school? At the same time, we may need to adjust our baseline on what we call "opportunities". I've lived in other countries, and one of the nice things about the US is how uncompetitive school is. One could (and likely still can) get into a decent "average" university without much…

>I've lived in other countries, and one of the nice things about the US is how uncompetitive school is. One could (and likely still can) get into a decent "average" university without much difficulty. In other countries, not so. You could be in the top 10% academically and end up in a really low quality university. I would understand playing such games there.

The difference is you're going to pay nosebleed prices or take out extortionate student loans in the US.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by gxs »

shetaye wrote: post #81

Regarding Stanford specifically, I did not see the number broken down by academic or residential disability (in the underlying Atlantic article). This is relevant, because > Some students get approved for housing accommodations, including single rooms and emotional-support animals. buries the lede, at least for Stanford. It is incredibly commonplace for students to "get an OAE" (Office of Accessible Education) exclus…

Uh it leaves out one of the more important things that you also get more time for exams

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by codelikeawolf »

> Most of these students are claiming mental health conditions and learning disabilities, like anxiety, depression, and ADHD.

Well, considering * gestures broadly at everything *, I'm sure more than 38% of students are struggling with near-debilitating anxiety and depression. The future doesn't look very bright right now. I can't imagine what being in college must feel like. I've been doing this job for like 20 years and I feel incredibly uncertain about my future most days.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by BeetleB »

diogenescynic wrote: post #774
BeetleB wrote: post #316

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My kids are not that old, so it hasn't come to a head yet. I presume you're talking about school performance - particularly closer to high school? At the same time, we may need to adjust our baseline on what we call "opportunities". I've lived in other countries, and one of the nice things about the US is how uncompetitive school is. One could (and likely still can) get into a decent "average" university without much…

>I've lived in other countries, and one of the nice things about the US is how uncompetitive school is. One could (and likely still can) get into a decent "average" university without much difficulty. In other countries, not so. You could be in the top 10% academically and end up in a really low quality university. I would understand playing such games there. The difference is you're going to pay nosebleed prices or…

Yes, but you get to go. In plenty of other countries, there are far fewer seats than students graduating from high school. Being merely above average means no college degree.

(Well, except they also have private schools, but the cost to income ratio is much higher there than here).

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by novemp »

crackercrews wrote: post #623
novemp wrote: post #615

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A swing and a miss. Note the geographic specificity and give it another go?

Sorry, if you meant an MN that isn't part of the United States, I totally missed that.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by bawolff »

frankchn wrote: post #739
bawolff wrote: post #634

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> But extra test time is fundamentally different, as it would be of value to anyone taking the test. That depends on how the test is designed. Some tests have more material than anyone can hope to finish. Extra time is always valuable in such a test. However that type of test is generally bad because it more measures speed then skill. Most tests are designed so the average person is able to finish all the questions.…

> However that type of test is generally bad because it more measures speed then skill. Isn't speed and fluency part of skill and mastery of the material? > Just think about it - when was the last time you had a final exam where literally every person handed in the exam at the last moment. When i was in school, the vast majority of people handed in their exam before the time limit. I think almost all of my high schoo…

> Isn't speed and fluency part of skill and mastery of the material?

Perhaps this comes down to definitions, but i would say that in general, no, speed is not part of mastering material in intellectual pursuits.

Sometimes it might be correlated though. Other times it might be negatively correlated, e.g. someone who memorized everything but doesn't understand the principles will have high speed and low mastery.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by DaveZale »

sfink wrote: post #673
WalterBright wrote: post #638

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> putting water on the toothbrush before toothpaste Wat? I had no idea I had a disability!

Same here. My logic is that my toothbrush is in the same room as a device for aerosolizing fecal bacteria, which is kinda gross but also not that different from a lot of other surfaces and environments, and that it's going to collect some amount of stuff floating around. A quick rinse is going to dislodge a good fraction of what has accumulated over the course of a day. I thought I was just being logical, but apparen…

look on the bright side. Fecal transplants are expensive but this way it's free. Sorry, that's not me talking, it's my ADHD ;-)
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