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Post by brigandish »

schneehertz wrote: post #415
brigandish wrote: post #368

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The fundamental proposition on which all of English culture flows from is that of innocence . For example, in court, you do not have to prove your innocence because you are presumed innocent. In the case of ID cards and the like, the state does not rule over the populace, it rules on behalf of the populace. I am innocent and they work for me . Hence, I do not have to prove to some random government agent who I am unl…

Oh, bro, you're practically living in 1689

That's the dream.

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Post by hellojesus »

mrguyorama wrote: post #716
hellojesus wrote: post #677

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It's a problem insofar as it exists and is illegal. I'm no fan of the current administration, but the Biden admin just plain refused to execute the laws. That seems problematic to me for an executive branch. I have no problem with uncapped migration, but to flat out refuse to enforce the law is a bit ridiculous. What should be done is simple: Congress should just pass a law like is expected of the Legislative branch…

>but the Biden admin just plain refused to execute the laws. The Biden admin tried to pass the single most restrictive immigration law the US has ever seen with bipartisan support from all but the most progressive democrats. Please tell me, who killed that bill? >As an added benefit, it would get rid of the illegal wages overnight Speaking of laws not being enforced, republicans have spent 30 years bitching about imm…

I'm late on this reply; have been solo parenting while the spouse was out of town, but I wanted to say thank you for the detailed response.

Also, I understand why you presume I voted for the republican candidate during the most recent presidential election, but I assure you I did not. Trump's interview with Bloomberg Business solidified beyond any doubt that he was a fool that had no idea how tarrifs worked.

I am equally dissatisfied with the lack of enforcement against employers of illegal migrants and agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment. My initial response was to point out that somehow Trump has quelled the rush of migrants without new legislation as a reference against what Biden's administration seemed not to be able to do. But you make a very good point about the unreasonable unwillingness of republicans to pass legislation that would likely have dramatically helped the situation.

Thanks again.

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Post by refurb »

zug_zug wrote: post #647
refurb wrote: post #534

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The President doesn't have that much power in the US. Head of the executive, yes, but that's it. And what has he done? Enforced immigration laws according to written law? Reorganized the executive branch? He can't pass any laws by himself. The judiciary can overturn his executive orders.

How about stacked the supreme court with sycophants (at least one of which has been caught taking bribes) whereby allowing his gross violations of the law to be tolerated on appeal to the supreme court (legal eagle has a great video on this). And then bullied executive who dare disagree with him (e.g. jan 6 commission, and his first impeachment) and even perform completely baseless criminal investigations that (e.g.…

Time to bone up on your civics!

The President nominates but the Senate approves Supreme Court appointees.

And just because you disagree with rulings doesn’t mean they are “violations of the law”.

The President is also head of the executive, as in they have direct authority for all executive functions. Yes they can fire anyone they want. Trump is hardly the first to do that.

In Parliamentary systems the Prime Minister has far more power. Their party has a majority to pass whatever law they please, combined with a rubber stamp senate.

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Post by sofixa »

ekianjo wrote: post #750
sofixa wrote: post #613

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> It makes it possible to track exactly where you are and what you are doing No??? What do you imagine, that every single transaction you make, like buying bread, will require a Digital ID? Why on earth would you imagine that?

if your digital ID is tied to your phone (which is eventually where things are going), that is exactly what is going to happen. There is no reason that it would stop somewhere in the middle.

Other than common sense and civic duty?

Why would anyone propose, and why would anyone agree to, Digital/Physical ID becoming mandatory for mundane transactions? It doesn't make any sense and it would never fly.

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Post by throaway123213 »

hellojesus wrote: post #772
mrguyorama wrote: post #716

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>but the Biden admin just plain refused to execute the laws. The Biden admin tried to pass the single most restrictive immigration law the US has ever seen with bipartisan support from all but the most progressive democrats. Please tell me, who killed that bill? >As an added benefit, it would get rid of the illegal wages overnight Speaking of laws not being enforced, republicans have spent 30 years bitching about imm…

I'm late on this reply; have been solo parenting while the spouse was out of town, but I wanted to say thank you for the detailed response. Also, I understand why you presume I voted for the republican candidate during the most recent presidential election, but I assure you I did not. Trump's interview with Bloomberg Business solidified beyond any doubt that he was a fool that had no idea how tarrifs worked. I am equ…

Ive gotten the same response, knee jerk reactions that regurgitate CNN talking points and assumptions that im a Trumpist. Im a lifelong NDP / Green Party supporter. lol..

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Post by DeepSeaTortoise »

matt_heimer wrote: post #658
DeepSeaTortoise wrote: post #196

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Require all people who received higher education to work for their country first for 15 to 20 years. There's no point in being able to buy an outrageously fancy toilet with remittances if there's no sewer to hook it up to.

That would discourage higher education, you are basically punishing people for it. Try giving free education to all government employees instead.

Discouraging higher education, IMO, isn't a bad thing. Academia is too much of a walled garden that is too easy to enter.

This resulted in higher ed becoming a defacto requirement for many professions that could have been open to professionally trained or experienced people. Employers need to draw their baseline requirements somewhere and if expensive credentials are too ubiquitous, it's understandable they rather select from those who achieved them than from those who didn't (or couldn't afford to).

And it's frankly disgusting how many doors remain closed to yourself unless you got access to an .edu email. More people with academic interests not having acquired one might open the door to many more who discovered their academic interests later in life but can no longer find a way to enter that garden.

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Post by array_key_first »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #565
wosined wrote: post #172

Sounds so authoritarian. Luckily, in the UK you only have to scan your face and ID to access cat photos.

Are you talking about downloading reddit, which is infested with the weirdest pornography that exists ? While I am very much against facial scanning etc, it is quite clear that something needs to be done about the access of porn to kids. It is a drug like any other that we do not allow kids to consume.

Virtually nobody has been able to demonstrate any tangible harm outside of weak "ooo morality" type arguments.

I get that intuitively porn is bad, but we are creatures with thousands of years of baggage. Practically every institution, everywhere, has spent trillions of dollars across hundreds of years to convince people sex is bad as a control mechanism. We don't even know if sex is addictive, there's a lot of disagreement about that among experts, let alone porn. All we have, really, is some anecdotes from people on Reddit that they stopped touching themselves and now they're not suicidal. Frankly, I don't think that's much of anything.

I'm not sure it's worth it giving up everything for a problem that we're not even sure exists.

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

array_key_first wrote: post #777
4gotunameagain wrote: post #565

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you talking about downloading reddit, which is infested with the weirdest pornography that exists ? While I am very much against facial scanning etc, it is quite clear that something needs to be done about the access of porn to kids. It is a drug like any other that we do not allow kids to consume.

Virtually nobody has been able to demonstrate any tangible harm outside of weak "ooo morality" type arguments. I get that intuitively porn is bad, but we are creatures with thousands of years of baggage. Practically every institution, everywhere, has spent trillions of dollars across hundreds of years to convince people sex is bad as a control mechanism. We don't even know if sex is addictive, there's a lot of disagr…

All it takes is a cursory search on google scholar to find papers discussing the addiction potential of online pornography.

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Post by hellojesus »

throaway123213 wrote: post #775
hellojesus wrote: post #772

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm late on this reply; have been solo parenting while the spouse was out of town, but I wanted to say thank you for the detailed response. Also, I understand why you presume I voted for the republican candidate during the most recent presidential election, but I assure you I did not. Trump's interview with Bloomberg Business solidified beyond any doubt that he was a fool that had no idea how tarrifs worked. I am equ…

Ive gotten the same response, knee jerk reactions that regurgitate CNN talking points and assumptions that im a Trumpist. Im a lifelong NDP / Green Party supporter. lol..

I understand why it happens, and I am a registered republican, but that's mostly because I align most with small government and low regulatory environments philosophically. In practice, my voting record is probably some random smattering of blue, red, and green. I vote for the candidate I think is best, and I try to evaluate all candidates based on their positions before looking at their party affiliation.

But also I live in the Portland, OR metro area so my vote is pretty much irrelevant.

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Post by array_key_first »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #778
array_key_first wrote: post #777

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Virtually nobody has been able to demonstrate any tangible harm outside of weak "ooo morality" type arguments. I get that intuitively porn is bad, but we are creatures with thousands of years of baggage. Practically every institution, everywhere, has spent trillions of dollars across hundreds of years to convince people sex is bad as a control mechanism. We don't even know if sex is addictive, there's a lot of disagr…

All it takes is a cursory search on google scholar to find papers discussing the addiction potential of online pornography.

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