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Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by sundarurfriend »

rixed wrote: post #646
debugnik wrote: post #569

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even after the public call-outs you keep dropping blatant ads for your blog and AI in general in your PRs; there's no other word for them than ads. This is why I blocked you on the OCaml forum already. When I was a kid, every year I'd get so obsessed about Christmas toys that the hype would fill my thoughts to the point I'd feel dizzy and throw up. I genuinely think you're going through the adult version of that: you…

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Good faith includes the ability to respect and listen to the other person (or in this case, multiple other people who have been working on these projects for years). The attitude he demonstrates has been and remains (this is a quote from him elsewhere on this thread):

> existing open source projects are not ready for this and likely won't ever be.

i.e. he is enlightened and these projects are just not seeing The Way™.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by [deleted] »

pyrale wrote: post #577
mmaunder wrote: post #208

They've abandoned GitHub for Codeberg because GitHub has ICE as a customer. Codeberg uses Paypal which is a member of the ICE "Virtual Global Taskforce". https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/top-story-industry-partner... There is a purity spiral that organizations can enter when they start doing this, which ends up with you shoving yourself into a cold dark corner of the internet and still not being completely detached…

> There is a purity spiral that organizations can enter when they start doing this You are the one summoning that spiral by making a cheap gotcha wrt codeberg using Paypal. The project apparently could and did move because the swith from github to codeberg wasn't that big of an impact, and because, while the new forge is not perfect, they feel the association is less severe. There is no "purity spiral" in that, just…

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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by rvcas »

mmaunder wrote: post #208

They've abandoned GitHub for Codeberg because GitHub has ICE as a customer. Codeberg uses Paypal which is a member of the ICE "Virtual Global Taskforce". https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/top-story-industry-partner... There is a purity spiral that organizations can enter when they start doing this, which ends up with you shoving yourself into a cold dark corner of the internet and still not being completely detached…

We’re all sick of these activist dorks

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by jswny »

budududuroiu wrote: post #687

Unsure if this post is being astroturfed or not, but seeing HackerNews root for Microsoft and boo communities that embrace alternatives feels very, anti-hacker in mentality. Sad state of affairs

I don’t think people are questioning the move away from a gigacorp owned platform, but it’s the approach, the alternative chosen, and the brash language that are being questioned

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by losvedir »

Heh, I tried to follow the link to the Codeberg repo at the top of the blog post and it is failing to connect. Maybe HN hug of death? In any case it makes the rest of the post and its criticisms of GitHub hit a little differently.

edit: I say as a GitHub sponsor of Zig for the past few years. I do see that I'll have to move that, and maybe I will, but I don't love having yet another account with saved credit card info and subscription to manage...

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by jswny »

alexrp wrote: post #692
nromiun wrote: post #139

So much vague outrage over nothing. That CI system created by so called monkeys is the one of the best free CI service in the world. Not everyone has the millions of dollars like Zig Foundation to create their own CI servers. After that they appreciate GitHub Sponsors, but say it is now a complete liability just because a project leader left. What are the actual changes? Any new rule? But no, it is now a "liability"…

> So much vague outrage over nothing. So you just chose to ignore the technical problems we have with GitHub Actions and then say there are no problems. That's certainly a take. > That CI system created by so called monkeys is the one of the best free CI service in the world. We self-host all our CI machines so the "free" hosted runners have no relevance here. > Not everyone has the millions of dollars like Zig Found…

Can’t any donation platform you don’t fully control cut you off at any point?

What exactly is different about GitHub sponsors here?

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by spencerflem »

andrew_ wrote: post #767

This is hilarious. Hating Microsoft will never go out of style. Fun to see the youngs rediscover it. Also hilarious is that Codeberg as a frontend is slow as hell; slower than Github even. Have fun with your newfound virtue, Zig folks!

My least favorite thing about modern philosophy / discourse is how the idea of having virtues is made to seem ridiculous

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by spencerflem »

KingMob wrote: post #140
shevy-java wrote: post #46

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That is fine, but they adopt or delegate corporate opinions onto others. I feel that if you need to lie to people because of money, your job is not honest. (I don't mean you; I mean people who need to do this because otherwise they may lose their job etc...)

> I feel that if you need to lie to people because of money Then your beef is with capitalism, not Github/MSFT.

It’s not either/or

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by rixed »

debugnik wrote: post #664
rixed wrote: post #646

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I assume he's well meaning because I've been seeing his posts for a few months already in the OCaml forums before this pattern of his started, but he's suddenly acting irrational and doubling down. There's no way I can put that nicely, plus he's since deleted his strongest reactions so you can't grasp it fully either. This is not my first interaction with him outside HN, I already talked to him privately when this wa…

I've been following as well. As much as i disagree with it, I appreciate that he has the audacity to propose this "all in" attitude. I'm a bit worried by the amount of anger that border doxing at times. I'd like this community to behave better.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by testdelacc1 »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #685
testdelacc1 wrote: post #500

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He’s talking about people who wrote the code. Those are actual people. You’ve abstracted them away as “Microsoft” and decided they don’t deserve any empathy.

> You’ve abstracted them away as “Microsoft” No, they did this when they joined Microsoft, not me. You don't get to be "an actual person" when you're paid by Microsoft to write Microsoft code for a Microsoft product.

You’re talking about Microsoft like they’re ISIS or al-Qaeda. You sound unhinged. If you ask people “do Microsoft employees deserve to be treated as human beings”, 99.999999% of them will answer “yes of course”.

People like you terrify me.

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