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Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by crazygringo »

overfeed wrote: post #721
crazygringo wrote: post #647

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All your production code has been entirely bug-free? Nothing has ever gone wrong in production in ways that were fine on dev? You've never written code to improve one metric, only to discover in prod it made another metric worse that nobody had considered? How about a little humility for the ways in which we're all fallible and usually just trying to do our best?

My fallibility doesn't make stupid actions any less stupid. I've done stupid things myself, like ssh into prod to apply a "simple, one-liner hotfix" which ended up upgrading a minor annoyance into a partial outage.

I don't think there's a lot of value in labeling things as "stupid" unless they are somehow willfully or recklessly so, which is rarely the case. I really don't know what it gets you.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by overfeed »

crazygringo wrote: post #771
overfeed wrote: post #721

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My fallibility doesn't make stupid actions any less stupid. I've done stupid things myself, like ssh into prod to apply a "simple, one-liner hotfix" which ended up upgrading a minor annoyance into a partial outage.

I don't think there's a lot of value in labeling things as "stupid" unless they are somehow willfully or recklessly so, which is rarely the case. I really don't know what it gets you.

Even though you introduced the word/label to the thread, you may replace it with "unwise" or "ill-considered" if you find "stupid" too flippant.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by hulitu »

skopje wrote: post #616
pessimizer wrote: post #612

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A dozen years ago I was installing it on every computer I touched for more than a few minutes. Now I can't recommend it to anyone convincingly, especially because what I have to do to it to keep it as usable as it is for me (and what people see when they see me using it) is nothing that I could expect anyone normal to put up with. I honestly don't even want to use it at all without Debian standing between me and them…

>> because what I have to do to it to keep it as usable I find this confusing. Why is Firefox so much effort? Install it + badger + adnauseum. Done. Why so hard for you? I am not a power user, is that why I don't see the effort?

> I find this confusing. Why is Firefox so much effort?

The new UI sucks (titlebar highjacking, tiny scrollbar), phones to Google by default (safe browsing), a lot of bad defaults.

> Install it + badger + adnauseum

So you need to install other stuff to make it usable. /s

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by hulitu »

meindnoch wrote: post #288
nozilla wrote: post #252

> Hi Marsf, > I'm sorry for how you and the Japanese community feel about the MT workflow that we just recently introduced. Would you be interested to hop on a call with us to talk about this further? We want to make sure we trully understand what you're struggling with. > My timezone is UTC+7, so it should be easier for us to set up time. Let me know how that sound! What a horribly condescending and patronising resp…

I don't understand people like this. No, I don't want to "hop on a call", I've already written down everything. Can you not read?

Some people need AI to explain to them the meaning of words. /s

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by discoutdynamite »

This almost deserves to be nominated for the AI darwin awards. "Volunteer community destroyed and leadership self-exiled because someone at corporate thought thier machine translation was better than native speakers, of one of the world's most notoriously difficult languages."

I would bet money that Japan has thier own yearly "business fail awards" and this is gonna wind up there. "Just hop on a quick call, never mind the time zone!"

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by nyeah »

charlieyu1 wrote: post #690
kstenerud wrote: post #395

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Community is also about communication. In fact, that's a primary aspect of a community. Yeah, Mozilla introduced a bot that's stomping on things. Are they malicious? Twirling neatly waxed mustaches as they cackle gleefully as the little ants scurry about in a panic? Or is this a case of humans doing what humans do: Screwing things up. The first step is to open communications, and the most effective form of communicat…

Where is the communication before the damage was done when it actually mattered?

Yeah exactly. I understand you may feel that I bulldozed your house, but it was an honest mistake. I deployed an AI bulldozer. Some communities are very happy with the results. Others may need time to adjust. Look, I want to talk. First and foremost this is about communication.

As soon as you get Wi-Fi back up, let's hop on a call.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by [deleted] »

metabagel wrote: post #714
npinsker wrote: post #694

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The request by itself is fine; it's not about that, but about the nuance within the word choice and what it conveys. It appears the OP is an incredibly valuable community member that has been deeply affronted and hurt by the recent changes. Any attitude other than "I'll move heaven and earth to make this right for you" will likely feel insufficient. Even failing that, I'd at least expect an attitude of "I really, REA…

I think the response is completely professional and appropriate. It's a request for more information.

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Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by tremon »

N_Lens wrote: post #735
npinsker wrote: post #694

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The request by itself is fine; it's not about that, but about the nuance within the word choice and what it conveys. It appears the OP is an incredibly valuable community member that has been deeply affronted and hurt by the recent changes. Any attitude other than "I'll move heaven and earth to make this right for you" will likely feel insufficient. Even failing that, I'd at least expect an attitude of "I really, REA…

The fact that your comment is needed to explain these basic nuances says something about the emotional skills of HN readership.

Please keep in mind that not everyone here speaks corporate English as their native language.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by hinkley »

airhangerf15 wrote: post #737
hinkley wrote: post #273

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Firefox is itself someone deciding to make their own fork of mozilla. Maybe we need to do it again every ten years.

What? Firefox (or really Firebird before the rename) came internally from Mozilla way when it got its start (when Netscape was still around) in an attempt to make a scaled down, "just the browser" version of the entire Netscape Communicator/Mozilla suite.

If an intern and a guy who quit Netscape and had been working at Apple for two years is internal, then I need to go back to school and learn words.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by 48terry »

p0w3n3d wrote: post #322
rwmj wrote: post #315

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It's a combination of inability to read anything longer than a tweet and not wanting to put anything on record.

I'd say otherwise - it's a reach out to have a relationship. It's hard to have human relationships only by writing. Of course the best way to build it is to meet in person, but if impossible - it's always good to have a video call. If someone is frustrated, the following chats won't do much really. They have already built a wall, and we need to meet around it, not throw our letters over it.

> I'd say otherwise - it's a reach out to have a relationship.

They HAD a relationship: it was 20 years of volunteer work. That relationship was broken by Mozilla's actions.

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