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Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by mistercheph »

account42 wrote: post #608
rob_c wrote: post #577

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The argument doesn't quite hold. The mass scraping (for training) is almost never doing by a GPU system it's almost always done by a dedicated system running a full chrome fork in some automated way (not just the signatures but some bugs give that away). And frankly processing a single page of text is run within a single token window so likely is run for a blink (ms) before moving onto the next data entry. The kicker…

The point is that scraping is already inherently cost-intensive so a small additional cost from having to solve a challenge is not going to make a dent in the equation. It doesn't matter what server is doing what for that.

100 billion web pages * 0.02 USD of PoW/page = 2 billion dollars, the point is not to stop every scraper/crawler, the point is to raise the costs enough to avoid being bombarded by all of them

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by john01dav »

palata wrote: post #510
john01dav wrote: post #460

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This has quite nasty consequences for privacy. For this reason, alternatives are desirable. I have less confidence on what such an alternative should be, however.

Can you elaborate on that? Are you implying that it is strictly impossible to do this in a privacy-preserving way?

I am not implying anything and mean only what I directly said.

More specifically, I do not know if a privacy preserving method exists. This is different from thinking that it doesn't exist.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by skeptrune »

mistercheph wrote: post #771
account42 wrote: post #608

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The point is that scraping is already inherently cost-intensive so a small additional cost from having to solve a challenge is not going to make a dent in the equation. It doesn't matter what server is doing what for that.

100 billion web pages * 0.02 USD of PoW/page = 2 billion dollars, the point is not to stop every scraper/crawler, the point is to raise the costs enough to avoid being bombarded by all of them

I'm going to phrase the explanation like this in the future. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by Aachen »

semiquaver wrote: post #363
bawolff wrote: post #246

> This… makes no sense to me. Almost by definition, an AI vendor will have a datacenter full of compute capacity. It feels like this solution has the problem backwards, effectively only limiting access to those without resources or trying to conserve them. Counterpoint - it seems to work. People use anubis because its the best of bad options. If theory and reality disagree, it means either you are missing something o…

Counter-counter point: it only stopped them for a few weeks and now it doesn’t work: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44914773

Only Huawei so far, no? That could be easy to block on a network level for the time being

Of course we knew from the beginning that this first stage of "bots don't even try to solve it, no matter the difficulty" isn't a forever solution

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by johnklos »

palata wrote: post #503
johnklos wrote: post #244

This is a usually technical crowd, so I can't help but wonder if many people genuinely don't get it, or if they are just feigning a lack of understanding to be dismissive of Anubis. Sure, the people who make the AI scraper bots are going to figure out how to actually do the work. The point is that they hadn't, and this worked for quite a while. As the botmakers circumvent, new methods of proof-of-notbot will be made…

> they are just feigning a lack of understanding to be dismissive of Anubis. I actually find the featured article very interesting. It doesn't feel dismissive of Anubis, but rather it questions whether this particular solution makes sense or not in a constructive way.

I agree - the article is interesting and not dismissive.

I was talking more about some of the people here ;)

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by ge96 »

voidUpdate wrote: post #733
ge96 wrote: post #143

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never forget the Ponies CV of an ML guy https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/03/my-little-pony-r...

Never mind the content, that is one of the most printer-unfriendly CVs I've ever seen

HP loves it "oops you're out of ink"

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by troyvit »

jcelerier wrote: post #752
Aachen wrote: post #708

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If your boss doesn't want you to browse the web, where some technical content is accompanied by an avatar that the author likes, they may not be suitable as boss, or at least not for positions where it's their job to look over your shoulder and make sure you're not watching series during work time. Seems like a weird employment place if they need to check that anyway

we have customers in our offices pretty much every day, I think "no anime girls on screens" is a fair request

It's an MIT licensed, open project. Fork it and change the icon to your favorite white-bread corporate logo if you want. It would probably take less time than complaining about it on HN.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by Mateon1 »

account42 wrote: post #611
psionides wrote: post #307

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The problem is that 7 + 2 on a submission form only affects people who want to submit something, Anubis affects every user who wants to read something on your site

The question then is why read only users are consuming so much resources that serving them big chunks of JS instead reduces loads of the server. Maybe improve you rendering and/or caching before employing DRM solutions that are doomed to fail anyway.

The problem it's originally fixing is bad scrapers accessing dynamic site content that's expensive to produce, like trying to crawl all diffs in a git repo, or all mediawiki oldids. Now it's also used on mostly static content because it is effective vs scrapers that otherwise ignore robots.txt.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by Aachen »

guappa wrote: post #558
ok123456 wrote: post #282

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The original reCAPTCHA was doing distributed book OCR. It was sold as an altruistic project to help transcribe old books.

And now they're using us to train car driving AI :(

I don't mind car driving AI, why the sad face?

Maybe autonomous train training would be even cooler but it's not like improving tobacco products that only have downsides

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by pluc »

abustamam wrote: post #763
pluc wrote: post #742

Can we talk about the "sexy anime girl" thing? Seems it's popular in geek/nerd/hacker circles and I for one don't get it. Browsing reddit anonymously you're flooded with near-pornographic fan-made renders of these things, I really don't get the appeal. Can someone enlighten me?

It's a good question. Anime (like many media, but especially anime) is known to have gratuitous fan service where girls/women of all ages are in revealing clothing for seemingly no reason except to just entice viewers. The reasoning is that because they aren't real people, it's okay to draw and view images of anime, regardless of their age. And because geek/nerd circles tend not to socialize with real women, we get t…

This also was my best guess. A "victimless crime" kind of logic that really really creeps me out.
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