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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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If Israel allowed elections, I could answer you, and Israel would have a negotiating partner. But I don't think Israel has any interest in negotiating.

PA is the one that postpones elections, as polls over the years show Hamas winning. Just like in elections that happened in 2005 that USA pushed for Has nothing to do with Israel. PS. canada just said that will recognize palestine if it will hold elections (without hamas)

The fact that countries halfway around the world are using basic recognition as a coercive tool to shape their democratic expression is exactly why Hamas has any following.

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they left willingly. Iran still has jews and a grand Rabbi. Many Jews moved to israel for economic reasons.

They did not leave willingly.

Cool, but none of them were parked in an open air prison and starved. And even if they were, whataboutism doesn't give Israelis the right to commit genocide.

Conflating the Jews with Israel as a whole also makes every single Jew in the world worse off and in danger. I would not advise vomiting out Bibi's propaganda unless you want to see how terrible the consequences can really get

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The verse Netanyahu quoted said to blot out even the memory of the Amaleks, after comparing Gazans to Amaleks. How is this a misquoted? This is the verse he cited, although the other verse you mentioned is just as bloodthirsty.

Yair Rosenberg explains it well here: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2024/01/is... In particular, the quote is apposite given the attack Israel had suffered just 2 weeks prior.

NPR puts that in context:

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/07/1211133201/netanyahus-referen...

Especially the correction (italics are my own and added to contrast your view with that of those who disagree with your interpretation):

> [POST-BROADCAST CORRECTION: This interview incorrectly says a quote from a speech that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gave on Oct. 28 refers to the Amalekites from the biblical Book of Samuel. The prime minister’s office added a citation to his written and translated remarks to indicate Netanyahu was quoting from the Book of Deuteronomy. Both stories call for the Israelites to completely eliminate their attackers. In the Book of Deuteronomy, the text reads “blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven.”

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You're avoiding the question. Why is Israel expected to sacrifice itself when it's attacked?

Israel is an invader. People have a right to defend themselves from Israeli agression.

Hezbollah declared war on Israel, unprovoked, on October 8th through to late 2024, by launching constant missile attacks on civilian areas, notwithstanding their violation of UNSC Resolution 1701. Israel is justified under international law to invade South Lebanon and completely decimate Hezbollah unless it offers an unconditional surrender.

I am more sympathetic to your views regarding Syria, however. That is a less justifiable war with nebulous preventive/preemptive motivations, which is somewhat coherent on a pure self-interested security basis but is likely validly unjust under different frames of reference (morality, modern global norms and taboos, and international law).

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The verse Netanyahu quoted said to blot out even the memory of the Amaleks, after comparing Gazans to Amaleks. How is this a misquoted? This is the verse he cited, although the other verse you mentioned is just as bloodthirsty.

Yair Rosenberg explains it well here: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2024/01/is... In particular, the quote is apposite given the attack Israel had suffered just 2 weeks prior.

It's a weird nitpick about 'blotting out the memory' of another society being much nicer and not at all genocidal compared to the 'spare no one' of 1 Samuel, and Rosenberg spends a lot of words to avoid describing how Netanyahu's speech was perceived by his constituents.

At the time half of jewish israelis said outright in polls that they supported genocidal actions by the israeli state (p. 5 https://en.idi.org.il/media/21835/war-in-gaza-public-opinion...).

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This did not start on Oct 7. Bad faith nonsense. This argumentum ad Oct-7 got tired about a year ago. How long do you plan to keep using it? Two more years? Ten years? Twenty years?

When did you say the hostages were taken?

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Yes. The minimum rules we all must agree on have to be the basic human rights. And that means we can’t take all the civilians in Gaza hostage for Hamas. These are humans with hopes and dreams and friends and family, like you and like Israelis. That Israel in particular would so easily forget about this is horrible.

If the above mentioned surveys are to believed, then a not insignificant fraction of Israelis care less than you expect them to.

Why is that? What are we misunderstanding about their perspective that causes the expectation to be off?

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Can someone living in Israel help me understand what is going on right now? What does the political climate look like in Israel? Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? Further, has this had any impact on the overall relationship between Jewish people worldwide and those residing in Israel? if so, how? I know that the media is all over the place and it…

This might help: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n13/adam-shatz/the-world... https://archive.ph/2025.07.19-181407/https://www.lrb.co.uk/t...

Thank you for sharing this article. This was so well written.

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They already are in a civil war, if you stop (wrongly) looking at Israel/Palestine as two different states. Look at my proposal above. War didn't happen in postapartheid JAR, despite everybody saying it would. What would people fight for, after all? They are all citizens of the same (biethnic) country, that's the perspective the world "leaders" should bring to the table. You need to bring some argument.

> They already are in a civil war, if you stop (wrongly) looking at Israel/Palestine as two different states. Okay, so in your opinion, there is exactly one state that is currently engaged in a civil war. How would world leaders telling them "You are actually one country engaged in a civil war" stop that war? The Jewish minority in that case would not accept living in a muslim arab state since they consider Israel to…

> The Jewish minority in that case would not accept living in a muslim arab state since they consider Israel to be the sole refuge for jews in the world, the only place in the world where they don't have to be a minority.

In the modern world, if you accept universal human rights, every minority in the world has to accept that it's a minority, and every majority in the world has to learn to accept the minority. In addition, everyone is a minority is some sense and somewhere - depends on your worldview.

What you're saying is a very condescending (and frankly antisemitic) claim - that Israelis (or Jews) are somehow "special" in being so stupid to never accept this. Of course they can accept it, just like everybody else in the world learns to accept there are other ethnicities and races. Americans, for example, learned to accept it. Likewise, all Jews outside Israel have accepted being a minority. It's not really a problem that racists make it out to be (at the end of the day, people individual differences and conflicts trump most group differences).

> When Israel was "a single biethnic country" this was the norm

That's why modern biethnic countries have laws and other systems that prevent that - see my comment above. A good example is Belgium. The point is, you can change the perception from 2-states to functioning 1-state without having to give up anything related to each ethnicity's cultural heritage. Has been done many times in history.

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