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U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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Post by bearjaws »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #754

A liberal Israeli friend has told me on a few occasions that Iran is one of the safest places in the Middle East for Christians and Jews to live, work, and raise families as long as they don’t publicly protest against the Iranian government. I have no way of knowing if my friend is correct about this, but with the conflicting news broadcasts in the USA the situation is as confusing as hell. Off topic, but I have star…

That is an absurd take.

Your friend's statement, that religious minorities in Iran are safe as long as they don't protest, is basically like a situation of domestic abuse.

An abuser might claim their partner is free and happy, as long as they follow the rules and don't speak out. The home may appear peaceful to outsiders, but this "peace" is maintained through fear, control, and the constant threat of violence for any perceived transgression.

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Post by wslh »

From a game-theoretical perspective, the key question is whether Iran was actually developing a bomb with the intention to use it, rather than adhering to the Cold War logic of deterrence. Most people seem to assume the latter, but the former was also a plausible possibility.

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Post by tim333 »

pythonic_hell wrote: post #672

It’s sad to see how Europe leaders are reacting to this and further show how Europe is a vassal state to the US in all but name. Europe is going to have to pick up the tab for the inevitable refugee and migrant crisis that will result from a wider war in the region - which they won’t be able to afford thanks to Trumps 5% military spending demand. Imagine what it means for Europe if a fraction of 90 million people (5…

How are Europe's leaders reacting to this? I'm not sure the rest of the world can do much except watch.

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Post by NalNezumi »

One thing about this situation is that makes me reassess my impression of "deep state / military industrial complex".

Both Trump and Tulsi Gabbard (pre election) was running a "no war" platform with heavy connotation of "deep state" and wars only serving special interests (including Israel). My impression was that this outsider aspect really bought many libertarian and non-hawk republicans vote.

Hell, Gabbard was even branded Russian parrot after trying to talk to Assad, running as an independent after that. She even disagreed about this strike not even 3 months ago, 1 month ago and few days ago, with Trump.

But now they support it. They all just lied during election is the most probable reason but at least Gabbard have been saying same thing since 2016 election, 8 years, and all it took was Israel striking to go "aight let's go".

Is there just some information available to high official positions that makes you turn 180 on your opinion as soon as you get access to it, or what.

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Post by frob »

v5v3 wrote: post #728

All the talk in the west is about extreme Muslims, or extreme Jews. But every group has their extremists. We need to not forget the extreme Christians...

Such as the US secretary of "defense", Pete Hegseth, who has the Latin phrase for "god wills it" tattooed on his bicep. A phrase that is also the motto of the first crusade.

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Post by noobermin »

Simon_O_Rourke wrote: post #633

That's an all around bad move for the US. Getting dragged into an Israeli war and probably having to carry the can for the next few years alone after getting into a mess not of our own making (well directly anyway). This is going to hit gas prices, the markets and US security considerations all in order to help keep the current Israeli leadership out of Israeli prisons. Bad move.

At least this comment is second top post. That's all this is, and the American media will cheerlead for it.

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Post by Aachen »

ianks wrote: post #711

No one in their right mind wants the Supreme Leader armed with nukes… but there are many ways to prevent this outcome.

I first read this as referring to Trump but I can't quite place the rest of the comment. Do you mean whoever is in charge of Iran or is it a way of saying both/either?
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