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The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

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Re: The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

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Post by kasabali »

mattl wrote: post #518
resource_waste wrote: post #431

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>Macbooks are winning the laptop war because of superior hardware. No. This is just you repeating marketing. No Nvidia chip = B tier at best. I have a $700 Asus with a 3060 that is better. Go ahead and scale up to a $2000 computer with an Nvidia chip and its so obviously better, there is nothing to debate. No one cares about performance per watt, its like someone ran a 5k race, came in 3rd and said "Well at least I b…

Why would I need an Nvidia chip in my laptop?

For some groundbreaking Artificial Intelligence work, obviously.

In reality, he probably just want to play CS2 :D

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Post by atoav »

reisse wrote: post #748
rcleveng wrote: post #739

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I know -- I was super excited to see WSL1 and wished it worked. NT when started was the OS/2 personality and back at that time was excited to see NT as the OS to end all OSes (by running them all as a personality). But WSL2 is freaking incredible, I'm super excited to see this and just wish the rest of windows would move to a Linux kernel and support bash natively everywhere. I was never a fan of powershell, sh/dash/…

Why not just use Linux then? The whole point of Windows right now is having a kernel that a) does not shove GPL down the device manufacturer's throat and b) care about driver API stability so that drivers actually work without manufacturer or maintaner intervention every kernel upgrade.

Sure, but consider that some people might not be able to just make that choice in any given context.

I was working as a freelancer wher a lot of my job meant interfacing with files other people made in Software that only runs reliably on Windows or Mac (and I tried regularly).

So WSL provided me with a way to run Linux stuff without having to run a fat VM or dual boot. In fact my experience with WSL is probably why I run Linux as my daily driver OS in academia now, since here the context differs and a switch to Linux was possible.

Whether a thing is useful is always dependent on the person and the context. WSL can absolutely be a gateway drug to Linux for those who haven't managed to get their feet wet just yet.

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Post by mrheosuper »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #701
odie5533 wrote: post #696

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I use WSL as daily drive for dev. Never had any issues. Love it. I use it from VS Code.

I still can't use usb-serial devices from within wsl2. It was possible under wsl1, but wsl1 is an entirely different thing. "never had any issues" is a meaningless statement. I "never had any issues" with infinite things I never tried to do in the first place.

there is GUI program to automatic this progress[1]

I have been using WSL to develop Firmware in Zephyr, no problem so far.

[1]: https://blog.golioth.io/usb-support-in-wsl2-now-with-a-gui/

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Post by margorczynski »

delduca wrote: post #336
nickserv wrote: post #244

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Just curious, which games gave you problems?

For me, Red Dead Redemption 1 via Proton does not work on Pop_OS + NVIDIA.

In general you want to avoid Nvidia if you want to play games on Linux, but maybe things will get better.

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Post by Mashimo »

const_cast wrote: post #475
resource_waste wrote: post #431

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>Macbooks are winning the laptop war because of superior hardware. No. This is just you repeating marketing. No Nvidia chip = B tier at best. I have a $700 Asus with a 3060 that is better. Go ahead and scale up to a $2000 computer with an Nvidia chip and its so obviously better, there is nothing to debate. No one cares about performance per watt, its like someone ran a 5k race, came in 3rd and said "Well at least I b…

> No Nvidia chip = B tier at best. Nvidia chip = 45 minutes of battery life

Not the one you talk to, but I'm a dev that does not need extensive battery life. All my dev computers are desktop.

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Post by Mashimo »

jopicornell wrote: post #470
resource_waste wrote: post #431

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>Macbooks are winning the laptop war because of superior hardware. No. This is just you repeating marketing. No Nvidia chip = B tier at best. I have a $700 Asus with a 3060 that is better. Go ahead and scale up to a $2000 computer with an Nvidia chip and its so obviously better, there is nothing to debate. No one cares about performance per watt, its like someone ran a 5k race, came in 3rd and said "Well at least I b…

Well, I'll have to hardly disagree. You want a laptop that its battery life is not 1 hour at best. That wasn't a thing in Windows/Linux laptops until M1 started using arm64. 6 Hours of intense work? Good luck with that. Not only that, but being able to run very intensive work (Pro Audio, Development...) seamlessly is an absolute pleasure. Its screen is one of the best screens out there. The trackpad (and some keyboar…

> *You* want a laptop that its battery life is not 1 hour at best.

But why?

I mean I can see why some want that. But why would I or most or devs in general want that? I very rarely code on laptop, and almost never when not at a desk.

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Post by oblio »

yellowapple wrote: post #707
oblio wrote: post #352

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Some of them are. But the increasing market share of Macs and even Linux these days plus the ever increasing of OSS initiatives from Microsoft points out that Microsoft knows a lot fewer of their users are as captive as they were in the 90's, for example.

More specifically: a lot fewer developers are as captive as they were in the 90's. And while normal users vastly outnumber developers, Microsoft has figured out that those normal users ain't inclined to stick around if those developers jump ship and stop developing for Windows. In other words, specifically those of a former Microsoft CEO (who understood the problem but not the solution): DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOP…

Even for regular users, a big chunk of regular users are looking at other platforms:

- "creatives" have always been a core Apple market and they've grown, so that market has grown; plus, since Windows is globally less dominant, a lot of "Photoshop/video editing software/3D modeling + Windows" folks are now on Macs

- gamers now have Proton + Steam on Linux + SteamOS so quite a few more of them are on Linux now, especially since Valve is pushing in this direction to keep Microsoft honest

- large number of regular office workers have iPhones, especially as you move towards the top of the hierarchy, and are far more tempted than they would have been in the past to try or use a Mac

- in many schools there are now Chromebooks instead of Windows laptops; this is primarily a US thing, but it does pop up in some other places, too

Windows is sort of stable but probably still bleeding users slowly.

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Post by Mashimo »

JonChesterfield wrote: post #116
Flamentono2 wrote: post #68

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I think you might want to give more context. I use linux. I don't need WSL at all. Not at work nor at home. So you praise WSL because you use Windows as your main system? Than yes its great. It definitly makes the Windows experience a lot better. OpenSSH for Windows was also a game changer. Honestly, i have no clue why Microsoft needed so long for that.

putty is longer necessary? That would be a wild upgrade in usability for the work laptop, shall go try it

I dislike using putty, I use the ssh client from WSL. Just feels .. better. And bash/fish history helps.

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Post by qwertox »

applied_heat wrote: post #620
qwertox wrote: post #406

I despise Windows 11 so much, but have to use it. I have a 24/7 box with Ubuntu running a couple of Linux and Windows VMs and that's the way I like it. I don't touch the Ubuntu host except for when I need to reconfigure it. All development is done on Windows laptop via SSH to those VMs. When I tried using Ubuntu via WSL, something didn't feel right. There were some oddities, probably with the filesystem integration,…

What hypervisor are you using for the windows vms?

QEMU/KVM.
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