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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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This is just tone policing, the comment doesn't contradict those guidelines. I should know them, I do break them all the time!

Sorry, I strongly disagree. Comparing detaining someone for 10 days (for, apparently, a genuine violation of immigration law - self-employment on a TN visa) to killing twenty million people is in no way reasonable, and it's certainly not informative or curious. It's just a snarky ideological barb and a violation of those guidelines.

The plainly explained point is that democratic backsliding is gradual. The road to 20 million dead isn't someone suddenly declaring "we are the baddies", then a week later they start digging the mass graves.

If someone appears with invalid paperwork to a border crossing you simply turn them away, or in the case of international flights you keep them in a room for a couple of hours and send them back next flight home. You ban her for X years.

She was in some kind of kafkaesque simulacrum of a legal system with "constitutional free zones" and for-profit "detention" centers. Nobody knew anything inside or outside, only with a considerable amount of resources and luck they we are able to find her in the system. This is closer to the stories of my family during a dictatorship, moving earth and heaven to find close ones in jail when initially the police "didn't know anything about that". They were lucky, a lot of people never found their loved ones.

Sure, the US is not there (yet), but even then she could've been there 10 months or more there if she wasn't Canadian or wealthy.

So no, it's not a "snarky ideological barb" it's a good point that doesn't meet your aesthetic standards, at most the "skeptics like you" part makes it a bit too personal. Your strawman about his point seems worse imo.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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post #684

This is the money shot : "Companies like CoreCivic and GEO Group receive government funding based on the number of people they detain, which is why they lobby for stricter immigration policies. It’s a lucrative business: CoreCivic made over $560m from Ice contracts in a single year. In 2024, GEO Group made more than $763m from Ice contracts. The more detainees, the more money they make. It stands to reason that these…

I don't get the " tiny, freezing cement cell with bright fluorescent lights" and a foil blanket thing though. Why be so nasty? If you are making a business improperly detaining people it would only be likely to cause outrage and get it shut down? I'm curious as a non American why no one stops this. I mean presumably both political parties have not bothered. Do people in the US think it's ok? I think if that stuff hap…

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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>This has been HN policy since the beginning, This is not true, at least according to dang if I recall correctly. There was a change in moderation strategy since the pg days. The way I remember dang's own explanation was that pg was more hands off in his moderation of political topics. Sure, you can say that it wasn't the same community back then, less flamewars etc, but the fact of the matter is the creator of this…

You're right; the guideline to not submit most stories about politics was not present from the beginning, but rather newly added in May 02008: https://web.archive.org/web/20080527112502/http://ycombinato... But that greatly predates the changes in moderation strategies or hiring dang and sctb. Surely the understanding of the site's social dynamics has evolved over time, though, and so the reasons for the same guideli…

>But that greatly predates the changes in moderation strategies or hiring dang

dang explicitly states they do it differently than pg it:

when a thread turns into a political flamewar, we moderate it more than pg used to. There were many past submissions that neither users nor moderators would allow today [0]

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17014869

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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So deny her entry and let her airline deal with returning her? Why did she need to be imprisoned? International Law says that if you're denied entry the onus is on your flight carrier to return you, which is a private matter between you and the carrier.

She crossed the land border - there is no airline.

Ah, even easier then, just tell her to turn around.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Why is this flagged? First of all, it's about an entrepreneur traveling to the US for a startup, which is directly relevant to a significant proportion of YCombinator founders themselves. Beyond its direct relevance to the core founding audience of HN, it is not clickbait or wantonly inflammatory, and is clearly of interest to many based on the comment activity and votes.

If you post stuff that is negative to top-tier tech bros, like Musk. Then the fan base comes out and flags it.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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This, kids, is a fine example of the cost of pride as it relates to the very important task of any and all (voting age) citizens of any country. One must choose the lesser of two evils!

Why? I hear that all the time, but no one can ever really explain why its important for me to need to feel like I am on the “winning side” of two subjective evils in a contest?

You're living it.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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This is the money shot : "Companies like CoreCivic and GEO Group receive government funding based on the number of people they detain, which is why they lobby for stricter immigration policies. It’s a lucrative business: CoreCivic made over $560m from Ice contracts in a single year. In 2024, GEO Group made more than $763m from Ice contracts. The more detainees, the more money they make. It stands to reason that these…

CoreCivic & Co. then sounds like a good target for a DOGE analysis.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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> The officer I spoke to was kind but told me that, due to my previous issues, I needed to apply for my visa through the consulate. I told her I hadn’t been aware I needed to apply that way, but had no problem doing it.

"If she stays so kind and accepts what she's been told without protesting, she must be hiding something. That's criminal enough for us."

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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> they also mainly targeted civilians How many Palestinians, mostly civilians, were held hostage in Israeli prisons on October 6th? (Hint: over 5,000). > If you were to kill, rape, Are you referencing long debunked fabricated accounts [0]? Or do you have any actual evidence of rape? > and kidnap the proportional equivalent of any country's civilian population Again - over 5,000 Palestinians were being held hostage by…

> How many Palestinians, mostly civilians, were held hostage in Israeli prisons on October 6th? (Hint: over 5,000). How many were there after trial? > Are you referencing long debunked fabricated accounts [0]? Or do you have any actual evidence of rape? Your own source indicates that there are UN investigators who found evidence of rape being carried out by Hamas terrorists. > Again - over 5,000 Palestinians were bei…

> How many were there after trial?

A littler over 20% [0].

And, is it really a trial when the conviction rate is over 99%?

> Your own source indicates that there are UN investigators who found evidence of rape being carried out by Hamas terrorists.

No forensic evidence, no survivor testimony.

The "credible evidence", when you read it, is that some people had their pants pulled down, and blood, which are both things that can happen when your own forces are firing tank shells at you [1].

And, pretending to ignore the fact that the most lurid claims of rape on that day were totally debunked doesn't make you look like you're debating in good faith, or willing to change your position when presented with new evidence.

> Israeli war crimes should be punished.

When? After the last 10% of Gaza is reduced to rubble? After they've built the "riviera" Trump keeps talking about? When a few more hundred thousand Gazans have died? When? How?

> Hamas is the aggressor that decided to launch a military operation from one of the most densely populated territories on Earth.

The great Bill Burr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wniaiyA-JE

> Of course he has. He doesn't have to take the deals Hamas (and by extension, Iran) wants.

Deals negotiated in good faith, some of which he agreed to like the ceasefire he just broke by murdering hundreds of people, and stopping food and aid.

> He's a bastard and is leaning too far

Ya think? You sure seem to be carrying a lot of water for him.

> everyone who's anyone of consequence in the Middle East, save Iran, hates Hamas

Ah yes, because only the wealthy and political class are "of consequence", and the opinion of the actual population [2, 3] means nothing.

> The only way to immediately prevent further civilian deaths in Gaza at this point is for Hamas to surrender

Not going to happen lol.

And collective punishment is still a war crime and an atrocity. You really, really need to understand that point, because right now you're spending a lot of time defending the indefensible. Genocide is never justified, ever, ever; and that's not just opinion but international law.

> You can't do what Hamas did on October 7th and run back behind the skirt of international law to stop your opponents

International law is international law. If someone breaks it once, it doesn't give you the right to break it ten times, or a hundred times in response. Do you understand that? It really seems like you don't.

0 - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/29/jailed-without-cha...

1 - https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-officers-invoked-defunct-h...

2 - https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/egypt-po...

3 - https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/new-publ...

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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post #356

>I was taken to the nurse’s office for a medical check. She asked what had happened to me. She had never seen a Canadian there before. When I told her my story, she grabbed my hand and said: “Do you believe in God?” >“I believe God brought you here for a reason,” she said. “I know it feels like your life is in a million pieces, but you will be OK. Through this, I think you are going to find a way to help others.” You…

if your takeaway from this article is that the most objectionable thing was that somebody gave her some religious encouragement but only after first making sure she was actually religious, then I feel like you are giving the rest of us atheists a really bad name.

Why would you think it's the most objectionable thing? How likely is it that somebody exists who would even think that?

There were already 190+ comments when I wrote mine. I don't write comments if there's already one that expressed the same thought

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