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Post by tuukkah »

wonderwonder wrote: post #770
tuukkah wrote: post #765

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You claimed that Guardian's banners state that they are anti-Trump. They don't. Game over. And when Biden was elected, I'm pretty sure he didn't say “in this term, everybody wants to be my friend,” hence I'm pretty sure the banners were also different.

Friend, I'm not sure I follow you. My claim is still they are anti--trump based purely on their statements. You may attempt to twist their words however you like but taken at face value, they are clearly anti-trump. Their banner literally states: "This is what we're up against"

"If you are not for us, you are against us." Or how exactly does "we don't want to be Trump's friend" become "we are anti-Trump"?

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marxisttemp wrote: post #660
throwawaythekey wrote: post #567

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Yeah "packed full" is probably a bit too heavy here. To pick a few examples though: - The nazi punching thread had several moderated comments ranked near the top which were presumably calls to violence. - The Mitch McConnal thread has many people looking forward to his death, hoping he goes to hell, and a few deleted comments. - A musk thread has "eat the rich" and storm the capitol. Not super highly ranked. I didn't…

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Post by joshdavham »

htamas wrote: post #587
joshdavham wrote: post #42

One thing to consider for those of us who are more sensitive to online outrage is to just quit social media all together. I’m technically gen z and I’ve been off of social media (aside from HN, WhatsApp and discord) for years and you wouldn’t believe how great it’s been for my overall state of mind. Reddit, instagram, X, Facebook, TikTok, LinkedIn, Threads, etc are all the equivalent of digital junk food and I’d argu…

I have tried to quit social media many times, but I end up using something again after a few weeks. It usually happens when I'm too tired to think about anything like games, or to read an article, or when I have a lot of waiting time without a lot of entertainment (eg airports). I wonder what do you do during those times?

> I wonder what do you do during those times?

When I’m really brain-tired but have downtime, I’ll 1) do nothing and just think in silence, 2) listen to a podcast or music or 3) watch Netflix.

Spotify and Netflix are definitely media apps but they don’t quite have that same negative and addictive effect that normal social media apps do.

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Post by CrimsonRain »

purplezooey wrote: post #577
CrimsonRain wrote: post #575

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Are you sure these high value professionals are fair? I saw this story the other day; don't have much idea about Poland. So verify yourself. https://notesfrompoland.com/2025/02/03/polish-billionaire-of...

Digging up a tiny, poorly funded left-wing publication as a whipping post doesn't support the point you are making.

Hmm. You're in bargaining stage or what?

fwiw, read/listen/watch actual events instead of some "professional's opinion". Then make up your own mind.

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Post by mistermann »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #766
mistermann wrote: post #755

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When someone is hired into a professional job, is there something in the laws of physics that prevent them from doing wrong?

What is the job anyway? Almost all of the publishing is ultimately funded by ads, therefore the primary job of everyone involved is to generate ad impressions . What's being attributed to "professionals" in this thread is actually the opposite of what the job pays for.

It is very funny how humans experience reality eh? Like, the literal assignment of a word to something can cause the representation of it in a person's mind (aka the reality) to change. Also weird: it is essentially not possible to talk about the phenomenon in a serious way (participants range of possible actions become highly constrained, and therefore highly predictable).

I really wonder if this normative phenomenon will be able to survive in the age of AI.

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Post by HEmanZ »

immibis wrote: post #728
HEmanZ wrote: post #377

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You’re making such an absurd comparison in situations. The death of your own family has an immediate and extreme impact on you personally. 99% of what you see on the news you would never know happened if it wasn’t presented to you. And I’m not saying not to care. I’m saying put big things into perspective. You don’t need to become catatonically depressed because the US changed its foreign aid in a way that you would…

> You’re making such an absurd comparison in situations. The death of your own family has an immediate and extreme impact on you personally. > 99% of what you see on the news you would never know happened if it wasn’t presented to you. What I'm hearing is that if the government kills someone, only their immediate family members are allowed to protest. We shouldn't protest when the government is killing people who are…

You seem very emotionally uncalibrated if the first place you go is that the majority of news must mean your family is going to die. I’m not going to stop you from becoming emotionally destroyed by impossibly-worst-case-scenario perseverating any time something doesn’t politically go your way. I’m also not going to stop you from blowing 99% of political events so far out of proportion that you can’t sleep at night. I’m not going to stop you from existing in a constant cycle of mental angst because the world isn’t perfect by your vision (and because someone on the news tells you 24/7 just how imperfect the world is, because your angst is their profit).

That sounds like a nightmare existence to me. But if you really want it, maybe because it makes you feel righteous in your pain and holy in your angst, then go for it I guess.

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Post by CrimsonRain »

magicalhippo wrote: post #648
CrimsonRain wrote: post #575

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Are you sure these high value professionals are fair? I saw this story the other day; don't have much idea about Poland. So verify yourself. https://notesfrompoland.com/2025/02/03/polish-billionaire-of...

You know what you can do? Subscribe to multiple papers, from both sides. Then you can do some comparison to see when things are reported differently. When I grew up we had at least two papers, sometimes three. One was leaning left, other leaning right. These days it's what Ground News[1] is trying to do from what I can gather, though haven't tried them as they don't cover the news in my country. [1]: https://ground.n…

Yes, this is a good idea. Alternatively, instead of reading "news"^ go to source and read/listen/watch it yourself. Then make your own mind.

^: which somehow became someone else's opinions in last decade. There's still opinion column. But there's no difference these days. It didn't use to be like this in the past. Journalists used to report events and facts without commentary or would add commentary in the end with some label on it.

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Post by myko »

wonderwonder wrote: post #758
tuukkah wrote: post #716

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If you read carefully, that's not anti-Trump, that's nuanced. A newspaper isn't supposed to be friends with politicians - it's supposed to report on them critically and truthfully.

I would agree with you if you can point to a similar post being made by them when Biden was elected.

This is an weird take considering:

- trump's previous failure as president

- his history of rape, fraud, and other crimes

- knowing what we now know about his first weeks of his lawless second term, and things are only getting worse

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Post by koolba »

pjc50 wrote: post #734
koolba wrote: post #720

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> in the end, there are more reasonable people, but democracies needs to develop better constitutional/law systems, with very short feedback loop. It is very important to have fast reaction on breaking the law by ruling regime. What’s wrong with the separation of powers in the USA? There’s plenty of situations where judges issue injunctions that are in effect until the case is resolved.

> What’s wrong with the separation of powers in the USA? Once the same party controls the Senate, House, Presidency and Supreme Court, the powers are no longer meaningfully separate. Which is now the case. (state powers are still separate; I'm guessing we'll see action from state AGs against sudden Federal actions which have disadvantaged their state) Also, as Musk has figured out, the simple power of fait accompli.…

> Once the same party controls the Senate, House, Presidency and Supreme Court, the powers are no longer meaningfully separate. Which is now the case.

Three out of four of those are the direct will of the voters. And the fourth is the indirect will of the voters as expressed by their President.

I think insisting that they always be at odds with each other is unrealistic and goes against the fundamental idea that people have a right to form a government that represents them.

It's like insisting that someone who is appointed to run a given department (e.g., Education, Interior, or EPA), is required to promote more spending or expansion of that department. There's no requirement like that and the decision to pare things back and limit the scope of a department again falls in line with the will of the voters. There's no rule that government is only allowed to grow bigger.

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Post by majgr »

mistermann wrote: post #755
majgr wrote: post #743

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I think it is fair, because professionals do not use cheap tricks, but at least they are trying to distance themselves when writing a report. I like discussions when Sławomir Sierakowski (from Krytyka Polityczna) is present, because he always have some new ideas, new ways to describe reality. Although, I do not follow Krytyka Polityczna.

When someone is hired into a professional job, is there something in the laws of physics that prevent them from doing wrong?

> When someone is hired into a professional job, is there something in the laws of physics that prevent them from doing wrong?

No, but work of journalists is highly visible. Probably, this creates more incentive to write according to rules of the trade. There are examples of journalists who went with ruling regime and got monetary prizes. Some are switching to it now, betting that regime change again and their dedication will bring rewards.

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