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Re: Nintendo announces the Switch 2 [video]

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Post by whynotminot »

vehemenz wrote: post #752
dcrazy wrote: post #738

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This is a statement that could only be made by an HN commenter. My wife has to drop into Arch to recover her audio every time she connects her Steam Deck to the TV. This is not a product ready for mass consumption.

Honestly, it's a milquetoast take. The only advantages of the Switch at this point are Nintendo exclusives and better support. There are some rough edges with the Steam Deck, but it's a bit odd to frame the Switch as "ready for mass consumption" when it lacks access to Steam, something every other handheld has, and consumers expect in 2025.

> The only advantages of the Switch at this point are Nintendo exclusives and better support

Err what? This has always been the point of a Nintendo console.

It’s like saying “the only reason people buy Windows/macOS is because they want an easy to use OS.” Like, yes. That is indeed the point.

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Post by pipeline_peak »

racl101 wrote: post #750
pipeline_peak wrote: post #456

This thing is gonna get swallowed in an ocean of steam decks and other similar clones. Unless you want to play the third installment of Mario Kart 8, I guess.

That is precisely the only reason people choose Nintendo over more powerful and capable devices. The Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Zeldas, Marios etc. They got a robust ecosystem going on and with them shooting down pirating left, right and center they keep a tight ship going. Nintendo has set themselves up so they don't need 3rd party titles to survive. Carved out a good niche for themselves. They don't even see themselve…

I understand, after all, they are the Disney of gaming in terms of IP.

It’s just strange, this is the first time I’ve seen them so…lazy. The Wii U was a flop, but it was a bigger leap than this. SNES at least had more buttons and significantly better graphics.

I think they’re just gonna milk this till streaming takes over.

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Post by Gigachad »

jsheard wrote: post #766
ad_hockey wrote: post #741

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Not just Nintendo. The PlayStation 4 controller had that touchpad in the middle that also clicked in to act as a button. I played a lot of games that used it as a button (usually to open a map, or something) and don't remember a single game that used it as a touchpad.

Microsoft is somewhat to blame for new controller features being underutilized because they're extremely reluctant to add anything to the Xbox controller. Motion control in particular stands out, the hardware isn't expensive and it's proven to be very useful in some types of game, but the lowest common denominator Xbox controller still doesn't have it so multi-platform games can't be designed around it. Especially mu…

Would be amusing if they just allowed it anyway and if you use an Xbox controller, you just suck at the game. Pressuring MS to add gyro.

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Post by wat10000 »

int_19h wrote: post #718
hedora wrote: post #536

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I’d be curious to know when they said that. It sounds like revisionist history to me. Based on the switch launch video, the delta between the NES and SNES was much higher than Switch -> Switch 2. Here’s an analogous snes ad, which spends most of its time showing off 3d and increased sprite counts: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eSBFw93V3Rg

At the time, at least, I don't recall seeing SNES as a "revolution". It had better graphics etc, but the form factor was the same, and games were broadly similar, so it was more of a luxury option.

It was the first taste of (sorta) 3D, at least in Nintendo’s lineup. Games like Pilotwings and Mario Kart were a big change.

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Post by Gigachad »

Manuel_D wrote: post #743
Dylan16807 wrote: post #615

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"You need to buy the game" hardly makes it a gray area.

Even if you buy the game you need to bypass encryption in order to dump the game data to run it on an emulator. A big part of why Nintendo prevailed in their lawsuit against Yuzu is that they proved the emulator could not be used without extracting encryption keys and bypassing copy protection. So no, there's no legal way to use a switch emulator. At least not for playing commercial switch games, I guess you could th…

In the US. Most of the world doesn’t have these laws.

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Post by wat10000 »

LZ_Khan wrote: post #630
wat10000 wrote: post #118

It seems like the days of revolutionary consumer electronics are over. This looks nice, for sure. But it’s really more of the same. Not surprising. It does surprise me that there’s such emphasis on it, though. There’s the name, of course, and then the entire video is based around “it’s the same thing but a little better.” Game console updates used to be big deals. The SNES was a revolution. PS2 was huge. Now… PS5? Wh…

Hold up, what's the "revolution" between the PS1 and PS2? More processing power? You could argue that no consoles in the Xbox or Playstation line are revolutionary, as they're the same format as the original SNES just with more buttons and processing power. I would say the major shifts in controller type is simply a much rarer change than simple spec upgrades.

A lot more processing power, at a time where that made a huge difference in the graphics.

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Post by beanwizard »

jghn wrote: post #595
hombre_fatal wrote: post #549

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Much like with the failed Macbook Touch Bar, I don't think it works having to look away and focus on another screen while playing a game. Also like the Macbook Touch Bar, now you have a whole other thing developers have to target and test for an end result that should just be possible yet more efficient in the main app. Take inventory for example. Instead you could just make it frictionless to open inventory in the m…

Yeah I played BOTW on the Wii U and remember at some point I just stopped bothering with the handheld screen. I can't remember what game it was but I do remember having one game where the handheld add-on provided some functionality that seemed useful/fun. So it is possible, but much like the original wii's motion sensors - it is much more likely that developers will stumble across a bad application of the tech than a…

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Post by beanwizard »

basfo wrote: post #35

Honestly i was expecting a little more info. I get this is on purpose, to create hype, but not having a graphical demo, a release date... anything really more than the design, input ports, and joycons, seems too little. And the direct in april seems too far away honestly. All they showed is the things that leaked, i mean, to me (besides the confirmation of something that was obvious) is like nothing happened really.…

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

nerdjon wrote: post #109

Happy to see that Nintendo is treating the switch more like how they traditionally handled their mobile platforms instead of their consoles. Iterating instead of throwing out everything with each new version. There is a part of me that is going to miss the, do weird shit and see what works, Nintendo that brought us some really fun ideas. But a stable Nintendo just being able to continue putting out great games has it…

Hopefully the Switch as a platform represents the end of the line. SD cards can be up to 2Tb, and that should be enough for anybody ;) So I don’t see why they would need to change up formats again.

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Post by alonsonic »

joshstrange wrote: post #439
irrational wrote: post #435

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Isn't the point of owning a switch to play games that aren't on the Steam Deck? Zelda, Mario, etc.?

With emulators those games can also be played on the Steam Deck.

The audience of people that would get a Steam Deck and then emulate Switch games is so small that this is a no-issue for Nintendo. If you can do that you're probably not the target audience to begin with.
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