Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza • Hacker News Board

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by myrmidon » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 12:58 PM UTC

mandmandam wrote: post #692

techdragon wrote: post #217

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In genuinely morbid moment of being nerd snipped… I wonder if the ordinance dropped per square meter on Gaza is higher than the ordinance dropped be square meter on Vietnam… which was famously bombed so hard that detailed maps needed to be updated in order to accommodate how heavily cratered parts of the country were with heavily cratered hills and slopes literally shifting like a form of mechanical erosion by bombin…

Vietnam has an area of 331,000 square km. America dropped over 5 million tonnes of bombs on it over a ten year period. That's 1.51 tonnes/km2/year. Gaza has an area of 365 square km. Israel dropped over 85,000 tonnes of bombs dropped on it over one year [0]. That's 232.88 tonnes/km2/year. Over 150x more. Don't forget! Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas in the world - about 50 times more densely populated…

Vietnam is a slightly misleading comparison here I think, because big parts are jungle (counting the whole area downplays the severity of bombing significantly).

If you compare heavily bombed WW2 targets, you see similar/higher bomb loads, like 4000 tons for Dresden over 3 days (<10 km^2), or ~18000 tons for the Leuna works (synthfuel refinery, <20 km^2, within 1 year).

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by smashah » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 1:08 PM UTC

grumple wrote: post #400

smashah wrote: post #252

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Oh because the a lot of the apparatchiks of the Nazi and Imperial Japanese regimes were absorbed into the western countries (operation paperclip, unit 731 amnesties, ratlines => colonia dignidad, jakarta method masterminded by Nazis mindset in the CIA) and the remaining nazis were propped up by the allies in west germany to continue their reign after all the dust was settled after which they eventually and successful…

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Fascinating! Now imagine how offensive it is to normal people for zionists to actually commit a holocaust and make unlimited justifications for it while crying victim!

This is exactly what the Nazis did, they tried to justify the mass industrial slaughter of the whole by claiming to be attacked unprovoked by a subset of uprisers and making antisemetic justifications while crying about bankers. Gas and Cry is what the Nazis did. Main difference is that now flying demons vaporize children into a thin instead with 2000lb American bombs.

Just as Nazis don't get to reductively define nazism (as simply the right to an Ubermensch Lebensraum) after 15 years of atrocities and 1 holocaust, zionists do not get to reductively define zionism (as simply the the right to a Jubermensch Lebensraum) [I'm impressed that you've reduced it even more as merely "the right for Jews to exist", nice try] after 76 years of atrocities and 1 holocaust. Both are defined by their victims!

All these narrative traps do not work anymore. There is no justification for committing a holocaust. Not now. Not then. Not ever. No matter claims as to who controls what, no matter why rose up against whom, no matter whose religion says what.

Truly embarrassing for humanity that that has to be said.

And speaking of a ratio to 300:1, that is the death ratio that Israel has exacted upon the population of Gaza per Lancet. Surprisingly that ratio did not apply to the Germans, as per demonic Israeli calculator there are currently 1.8bn (300 * 6m) too many Germans alive today. Quite forgiving to the Germans for some reason (see: Otto Skorzeny).

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by weberer » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 1:09 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #391

rvz wrote: post #312

Why did it take for the incoming arrival of a new US president (Trump) and for the existing president (Biden) to LOSE to get this ceasefire deal to happen when the first proposal was rejected? [0] Of course it "needs to be take longer" since lots of money was made by government contractors in this war and why would it need to end earlier if Biden was throwing money on Israel instead of reaching a ceasefire deal much…

Here's an idea - the entire world doesn't revolve around the US presidency.

In most cases sure. But this specific conflict is probably the worst example you could have picked.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by smashah » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 1:09 PM UTC

robertoandred wrote: post #313

smashah wrote: post #240

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This is what happens when there is an unchecked Affirmative Action program for zionists in many industries like tech and Media. Microsoft employees get fired for calling for a ceasefire meanwhile their Israeli counterparts get to gloat about continued slaughter of children with a mere investigation, in Apple, they provide extra support for employees doing time for the IDF while Palestinian employees get fired and Mus…

Meanwhile, Cornell still employs the professor who called Oct 7 exhilarating. How would you describe that?

The holocaust justifiers truly are the most gormless people who lack basic comprehension. Where did I say the AA program captured 100% of jobs? And did you read which industries I mentioned? Probably not, I mentioned tech and media. Cornell is a an academic institution, many people know this actually. Academia is not Tech and media industry. The definition of Academia is the environment or community concerned with the pursuit of research, education, and scholarship. It should go without saying but unfortunately implicit things like the definition of Academia and "don't commit or justify a genocide" is too high a bar for some.

Sad.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by mutatio » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 1:10 PM UTC

Urahandystar wrote: post #700

southernplaces7 wrote: post #629

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>And never mind that Israel still has a fundamentalist, authoritarian government that is actively at work undermining democratic structures and civil rights even inside the state As opposed to the neighboring states (and Hamas), which mostly have religiously tolerant, fully democratic governments that fully respect civil rights, and which of course have never openly stated that they want Israel to disappear from exis…

Such an insane take, how is adding another despotic goverment to the mix going to help?

Because it's a cultural arms race. What kind of nation do you think is capable of manifesting in those local conditions, a progressive social democracy like Sweden?

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by Levitz » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 1:10 PM UTC

BurningFrog wrote: post #257

Workaccount2 wrote: post #39

So I suppose it's just back to the status quo? What has really changed that will make a difference in 2-3 years from now? Israel has sowed a whole fresh generation of "I will sacrifice everything to wipe Israel" Palestinian youth.

> What has really changed that will make a difference in 2-3 years from now? The whole Iranian anti Israel coalition has been badly beaten! Hezbollah barely exists anymore. The Assad regime is toppled. Iran itself has learned that Israel can attack them at will. The Houthis are still active, but too far away to do real damage. Hamas itself still exists, but in a deeply degraded form. Their leaders are dead. Their arm…

Is there any way to bet against this rationale? As in, putting money on it?

I can't do anything about the US having an obscenely distorted view of terrorism but it'd be nice if I could at least turn a profit off it.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by kragen » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 1:11 PM UTC

cpach wrote: post #754

kragen wrote: post #710

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This page says, "Error 403 Forbidden. Forbidden. Error 54113." What are you referring to?

I believe they where referring to this: “Hamas has reneged on parts of the agreement reached with the mediators and Israel in an effort to extort last-minute concessions,” [Netanyahu’s] Office said. The statement said that the cabinet will not convene until Hamas has accepted all the terms of the agreement.” Source: https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-hamas-rene... Mirrors: https://archive.ph/9m170 , ht…

Thank you very much! This is helpful!

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by piltdownman » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 1:11 PM UTC

ta20240528 wrote: post #749

xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

> And never mind that Israel still has a fundamentalist, authoritarian government All true, very true. Of course the other bunch will slaughter you for drawing a cartoon. I submit that you have a responsibility to be comprehensive when posting.

In the interests of comprehensiveness, the 'other bunch' have AIPAC, the Shomrim, and will get legislation passed enshrining Orwellian Newspeak. Anti-Zionism is now categorised as Anti-Semitism in American discourse. Insanity.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-resolutio...

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by cced » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 1:14 PM UTC

HDThoreaun wrote: post #703

tdeck wrote: post #522

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Yes, repeatedly. For example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2023_Gaza%E2%80%93Israel... Here is a longer list where I found this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_attacks_aga...

A list of times Hamas attacked Israel and Israel struck back. When did Israel strike first?

Sorry this isn’t exactly a fresh conflict, why are we pretending like settler colonialism in the region is a new thing, I’m not sure.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by OhioMan2943 » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 1:16 PM UTC

I recommend engaging in this thread with the caveat that HN is obviously a technology community, and Israel has one of the world's most engaged technology communities.