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Post by resource_waste »

antihero wrote: post #758
coldtea wrote: post #728

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> I think you are missing something. Clubs have always been the „mothers“ of raves This is rewriting history. Raves was a british thing, and it was in the open, not in clubs. Chicago warehouse parties preceded raves and are important for electronic dance music history, but are not raves.

Well raves were free parties, and could be outside or in like an abandoned warehouse etc.

Amateur philosopher here:

What is the debate going on here? Is it epistemology? Or linguistics?

I imagine its some subset, if anyone can point me in the right direction, I'm interested.

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Post by defrost »

strken wrote: post #759
defrost wrote: post #703

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They can look a little like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH_RWBSQ9ic Note: Burning car and local farm fire truck to stop fire spreading.

That's the Kellerberrin B&S, I think: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_and_Spinster_Ball . Hence why the uploader called it a BnS, the girl at the start says "welcome to the blokes and skanks ball", everyone's driving a ute with a sick bullbar instead of mum's station wagon, and they look like they're all fucked up on Bundy and coke instead of MDMA and coke. Not quite the same thing as a bush doof.

Strictly speaking it's a West Australian Inseminator's Ball (as titled) which were for a while run in parallel with the B&S balls although to the best of my knowledge they've both died down in popularity - Muresk Agricultural College very nearly closed, although it's gotten fresh grant money in recent years which may have changed things up a bit.

It shares a bit of overlap with many other variations of a bush party that I've been to, they've all been a little bit unique, a little bit the same.

There's even been a odd local lesser version of the more famous US Burning Man here - inspired by is perhaps the best description: https://blazingswan.com.au/ and not like a B&S, a bush doof, nor a Burning Man.

None of these things look like an inner city warehouse rave or nightclub either.

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Post by InDubioProRubio »

c16 wrote: post #768
prettyblocks wrote: post #668

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Not to mention cell phones everywhere.

It really depends on the club and the culture. In big clubs and venues, it’s more a performance now and statement than it is a club (think Printworks/Afterlife visuals) so everyone is on their phones. My experience of small intimate clubs in Europe is that people tell each other off for pulling out phones, or there’s just no light in the room - so there’s nothing to photograph. People are there for a good time. If yo…

Needs a Blinded by the light Defense tower, automatically shining lightrays into every camera lense visually identified.

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Post by InDubioProRubio »

throwbadubadu wrote: post #765
phowat wrote: post #688

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100% agree. The article does not seem to be written by someonene who is particularly interested in this subject. The fact that it starts talking about what is IMO the most overrated scene ever, Berlin, says a lot.

The Berlin scene is partly very touristy, what is also good for the city (and sad to let the clubs go), but please also don't underrate it - there are still so many clubs, you just need to find your more undergroundy experience ;) As a tourist, of course, you are also part of the problem, but also well welcome. Every "hype" is not true and show quickly symptoms, and everything was always better back in time, but ther…

Alot of the good stuff moved out of berlin to eastern cities were its still affordable?

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Post by ThinkBeat »

"Classical Raves" had a renascence during Covid, in at least a few countries. Illegal, (outdoor )location not disclosed until the day of, with a two step process. "Go here at this time, look for a guy with a blue shirt, a good bit of chaos, shitty equipment, and a lot of younger folks who love it.

It is amazing all you come across if you spend a lot of time walking your dog.

But there was a real unfortunate one in Oslo. Someone had picked a local and found after a good deal of spelunking found that there was a huge cave farther in. They decided this was a prefect place for an illegal rave.

Got it all setup and running, people dancing.

However running electric diesel generator(s) in a cave with little access to fresh air was not the best idea someone came up with that year.

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Post by api »

yardie wrote: post #69
api wrote: post #49

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To me the giveaway is the decline in sexual experience among young people. This is like a top line KPI for youth culture and socialization since when people have a lot of positive social interaction and mutual bonding experiences they tend to have sex. Loads of people have commented on these trends. I’m not pointing out anything new, but I do think a lot of people don’t see it because it’s hidden behind a facade of v…

> the decline in sexual experience among young people Can I push back just a bit. I'm the parent of a teenager and we've had the talk. The kids are alright. When I was a teen I felt everyone felt pressure to be sexually active. While the boys carried the brunt of peer pressure it was the girls who had to deal with the actual fallout. Todays teens are dealing with a lot right now. And my impression is they have a heal…

I don’t disagree. I’m a dad of girls too and things are better for them today as long as we can hold off the idiots who want to LARP The Handmaid’s Tale.

But that kind of intersects with my next point. There is this vast number of basically hikikomori out there, not to mention lots of mostly boys with very screwed up images of sex from early and uncritical consumption of porn and “masculinity” grifter bullshit. It’s from among these groups that every sort of toxic authoritarian movement is drawing its support.

There’s a lot more unhealthy antisocial stuff out there, and overall I think it’s worse. It’s become more extreme. There isn’t a middle. Young people are either healthy today or they are fucked.

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Post by vietyork »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #31
bossyTeacher wrote: post #15

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MDMA and Ecstasy are the same thing afaik

I wonder if what's being called ecstacy is something else entirely now? I feel so out of the loop.

let's just call it Molly

why?

even though MDMA is the real technical name (and Molly + Ecstasy are nicknames), the name "Ecstasy" is kinda misleading because it's usually MDMA mixed with other stuff, and that's not always good...

the name "Molly" has a pure vibe to it. It's like a warm hug from a friend.

Dr. Andrew Huberman said in his video that MDMA is not actually ecstastic, rather it produce warm feelings and promote inner acceptance and peaceful connections with others.

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Post by wonderwonder »

Using the articles definition of a rave, essentially just a nightclub; a lot of them around me have been shutting down due to violence and the governments response to it. 10 years ago, my city used to have a thriving downtown / bar / club scene; driven primarily by university students.

In recent years, the homeless situation has spiked with dozens and dozens of aggressive, clearly mentally unstable individuals at various locations in the area. On top of that, the clientele has changed as the university students choose to stay closer to campus has their local offerings have expanded. This new group of patrons has brought violence with shootings and assaults happening now that never happened before.

The city government has responded by capping alcohol sales at midnight and requiring any bars that stay open later to provide and pay for onsite security. This extra cost has essentially crippled the club / bar scene with many of them going out of business.

Wonder if anything similar is happening in other cities, with nightclubs bearing the brunt of the costs for increasing violence in their area.

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Post by bluGill »

9rx wrote: post #452
bluGill wrote: post #440

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Pay is lower in small/rural towns for the cheap jobs - but your cost of living is also lower. The trick is finding the best compromise for your situation - dense enough to have the higher pay of a city while not so dense that your cost of living is too high. Where I live in the Suburbs of Des Moines, McDonalds starts at $16/hour. There are rural towns not far away where they start at $14, and I know rural towns farth…

> Pay is lower in small/rural towns for the cheap jobs I expect the median income is often higher in rural areas because, while there is little on the high end, there is more mid-tier opportunity. In the big city if you don't make it into the big leagues, only the dregs are left. Cities amplify the extremes. In rural areas, the $30 per hour jobs are willing to hire any warm body that shows up. Of course, rural is a d…

As you say there is a lot of it depends. If you are willing to learn to run a excavator (they will train you!) you can do well enough, but there are only so many jobs and not every area needs another. It won't be as good as a valley tech job, but still pretty good and the cost of living is much better. If you are a farmer you often do very well - but most of your money is tied up in land and equipment and so until you retire/sell you don't look any better than excavator operator. If you can't do the above though there often isn't anything good left and so working at a cafe for minimum wage may be all you can get.

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Post by sir0010010 »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #532
xeromal wrote: post #375

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Because people want to live in particular areas

This is really the issue. There are plenty of places people can live and afford. But everyone wants a particular lifestyle and a certain job in their desired field and maybe proximity to certain people. That sense of entitlement has been rebranded as an affordability crisis but it isn’t that. It’s just entitlement. People should instead live within their means and make sacrifices. Not everyone gets to live in highly…

You could say that not everyone gets to: have a car, use a computer, have access to quality food, visit a museum, etc and you could argue that that's okay and people should instead live within their means and make sacrifices. We could also, you know, go the post industrial revolution route and build as much and more of what we need. Very dense locations such as parts of NYC, Paris, and Tokyo exist and there is a shortage of apartments in these types of spots relative to how many people want to live there. And the areas surrounding, say SF, are mostly suburban. Why not convert these surrounding suburbs to essentially just be more SF - or even more dense and build significant amounts of transit connecting them? Then repeat this for every expensive city in the world, adding a multiple of capacity compared to what we currently have.
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