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Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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And then what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Chinese_balloon_incident

A single balloon that maybe was a surveillance balloon traversed the US, did nothing, and then was shot down over water? Then the US was so panicked it shot a few million dollars of missiles at balloons elsewhere that definitely did not originate from China?

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The real story here is the apparent... and I use this term very, very deliberately... fecklessness of all the relevant authorities. Apparently... again, a deliberate choice... nobody has the authority to figure out what is going on, or nobody has the motivation, or nobody has the technical capability, or something like that. I'm not sure what the problem is, exactly, and that is in some sense now the dominant problem…

Question: how do you think the US government post-9/11 would respond if they actually didn't know who belonged to these drones and they were less than an hour from Washington DC (given a flight speed of 200mph https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/325_kmh_while_ukra... )? Would they pussyfoot around for a week, then blow smoke up our asses about it or would they immediately eliminate the threat and then blow smok…

yeah they shot down a friggin weather balloon with a JET, but nothing to worry about with these? they definitely know what they are and they're fine with it. field testing new drone based surveillance systems?

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Have you been following this news story at all? There are probably hundreds of video clips on social media depicting the same craft. So I'm not sure what the relevancy is of your story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT9rrkYGAUU&list=RDNSOT9rrkY... 3 minutes and 7 seconds in this video is a good example of what these typically appear as. But yes it's most likely a US military drone exercise or active operation (have…

The military theory doesn't fit to me on the grounds that at this point they should be just admitting it. They're calling more attention to the drones than they would if they would just say "yup, those are ours". You don't hide things by parading them around in front of people. They've got all sorts of places to secretly fly things and all the permits they need to create whatever RF environment they want in the proce…

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People would do well to keep in mind the episode of drone hysteria which happened at Gatwick airport in 2018. Hundreds of sightings were reported over a period of several days, shutting down the airport completely. It was a massive media event, camera crews from every outlet were at the airport, but none ever photographed a drone. None of the radar systems at the airport, nor the military anti-drone systems sent late…

Have you been following this news story at all? There are probably hundreds of video clips on social media depicting the same craft. So I'm not sure what the relevancy is of your story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT9rrkYGAUU&list=RDNSOT9rrkY... 3 minutes and 7 seconds in this video is a good example of what these typically appear as. But yes it's most likely a US military drone exercise or active operation (have…

the military isn't responsible for domestic security/surveillance.

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Got it. How do you explain why these drones have green and red aviation lights and headlights? The aliens are abiding by FAA regulations now?

The lore theory is this: that there is a sort of trickster phenomenon at play whose goal is to subvert our understanding of the physical world, and to get us to start asking metaphysical questions about the nature of reality. Questions that can only be answered by "looking within". This is called the control system hypothesis, coined by renowned ufologist Jacques Vallees: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/rn650p…

>And another event from the 1800s of craft that is era-appropriate, mimicking airships of the time:

You do realize that's because those too were cases of mass hysteria, and the delusions matched what they knew to be airborne at the time - airships. Now all you see on the news is drones and suddenly everyone is having drone-flavored mass hysteria.

> I've studied the phenomenon from all angles.

Give me your most convincing evidence. I've seen none so far.

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Wouldn't a novice likely die synthesizing the amount of sarin needed to kill a large group of people? Then attaching a disbursement mechanism to the drone to make it into a gaseous form, etc. Seems like a lot of high risk effort to maybe have it work. As for IEDs, the drones used in the Ukraine war use what look to be very effective munitions, and they seem to be only effective against a single target really. Is that…

That's not true. They have drones that can drop multiple rpg warheads or grenades. Imagine a bunch of drones each with ten grenades dropping them over Times Square. I doubt there is anything the NYPD would be able to do.

Do you have any media of those drones that drop "multiple rpg warheads" so I can visualize how large they are?

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Fourth Amendment in action !

This could be scoped very tightly to reasonableness with an emergency warrant, plenty of probable cause. Can you elucidate what you meant?

Are you suggesting that these drones have warrants for every piece of property they overfly ?

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More like - does the castle doctrine apply to defending yourself against someone not actually trying to enter your castle. It would be like shooting someone for taking pictures of your house from the street. I'm relatively certain law enforcement would have opinions about that.

I don't think you understand. It sounds like you think I'm talking about defending youself against a human. I am not. If a drone is trying to gain access to your home, do you have the right to defend against it using deadly force? Meaning; Force that would be deadly to a human attacker.

Strictly speaking, my understanding of the federal law and regulation is that there is no exception to the crime of shooting at an operating aircraft.

That said, the FAA's jurisdiction ends with the National Airspace, which physically ends the moment it crosses into a structure.

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My father took this picture of a drone in Morris County, NJ. Anyone want to help identify what it is? https://i.imgur.com/Sfet0Ps.jpeg

Based on the apparent size and arrangement of the central section, that looks like a DJI Inspire 1 or 2.
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