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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by petre »

johnisgood wrote: post #712
libertine wrote: post #281

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> That did not help, did it? I'm sorry, but this is the type of claim of someone who gets news from the Joe Rogan podcast. Ukraine managed to defend its capital from annexation, liberated thousands of miles of territory, and managed to improve its protection of civilians thanks to air defense systems, has lower casualty rates than Russia, and now is starting to create a buffer zone into Russian territory. How isn't t…

I do not get news from Joe Rogan podcasts, and as such, it is unnecessary and inappropriate to claim so. Something that people seem to not realize is that the Minsk Agreements refer to two accords (Minsk I in 2014 and Minsk II in 2015) aimed at ending the conflict in eastern Ukraine, specifically in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, where pro-Russian separatists had declared independence with alleged support from Russ…

> I am sorry but providing additional aid at this stage would likely prolong the war rather than bring about a resolution.

That would only give Putin time to replenish his forces and attack again. The time to act is now.

If the Russians lose, we might be looking at another USSR style dissolution of Russia: more breakaway Central Asian and Caucasus republics and maybe a break from Russian interference. Make no mistake, these are the people that Putin is grinding in this war.

This is a good opportunity for the US to weaken Russia without firing a shot and consolidate its power in Eastern Europe with reliable allies.

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Post by rightbyte »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #178
PKop wrote: post #166

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>To the extent there's a meat grinder, it's of Russians It's of both. Why deny the fact Ukrainian men are dying in droves? This is disrespectful of those that paid the ultimate sacrifice. Pretending this is not extremely costly to Ukraine in manpower is denying reality. They have been increasing the age of conscripts as they're running out of young men.

> Why deny the fact Ukrainian men are dying in droves? Nobody is. Meat grinder means excessive loss relative to necessity. The Ukranians are being slaughtered, but not mindlessly. They're fighting efficiently in respect of manpower. Also, had we given Ukraine all the weapons it asked for in 2022, we probably wouldn't have had a meat grinder.

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Post by aguaviva »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #745
aguaviva wrote: post #739

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Why would he need cash reserves if he has a toadie in the white house? You may want to think about the chronology again. And then ask yourself if your statement above still makes sense.

You're saying Russia couldn't have invaded Ukraine successfully in 2018, if the US and Europe were not providing support, and no sanctions were levied on Russia?

You're saying Russia couldn't have invaded Ukraine successfully in 2018

They didn't invade successfully in 2022, either. Meaning they were never able to invade successfully at any year before that. The whole war is a gigantic delusion for them, remember.

But as for evidence that they needed about 7-8 years to build their resources to a point where its regime thought they could invade successfully:

One of the pieces of evidence in favor of this view is the graph of the CBRF's (that's the Central Bank of Russia) holdings of foreign cash reserves, over the past 20 years. It shows oscillation or decline up until 2014, and then from 2014-2022, steady increases each year, resulting in a net increase from about $100b to $300b by 2022.

Military analyst say that Russia engaged in similar purchasing patterns internally (building up its reserves of shells and missile stocks, for example).

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Post by coldtea »

dralley wrote: post #749
cwassert wrote: post #727

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He just wants more funds for his department.

Reflexive cynicism about the military isn't as warranted in 2024 as it might have been a decade ago. And it wasn't really warranted a decade ago either, when Russia was blowing up Czech ammunition depots, airliners full of Dutch people, conducting assassinations in the center of Berlin, and sending "little green men" to Ukraine. It could be an accident, sure, but suspicion of sabotage is not paranoia. And also, like,…

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Post by ajuc »

gruez wrote: post #756
ajuc wrote: post #597

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Yeah and if you shoot someone and they die it might be an unrelated heart attack.

Yeah but in this case, we don't know whether the guy in question actually got shot, only that he died. In that case it's premature to assume "this is murder".

Chinese ship starting from Russian port went to sea, dropped the anchor just before the cables, dragged it over the cables, went away.

Haven't reported anything.

Declined requests to explain themselves.

Sorry but it's bullshit.

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Post by actionfromafar »

alt227 wrote: post #750
coretx wrote: post #643

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NATO countries don't or barely respond because subversion requires a response. Russia is constantly pulling low hanging fruit hoping for as much commotion, fear, etc. It's party of their destabilization and subversion tactics. This is why authorities are not loud, but calm & stoic. And it works, very few people around me are aware of the fact that Russia has blown up NATO ammunition depots, liquidated politicians and…

> Russia has blown up NATO ammunition depots Can you give a link to some information on this please?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Vrb%C4%9Btice_ammunition_...

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Post by CryptoBanker »

carabiner wrote: post #420
threeseed wrote: post #335

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And also Ireland escorted a Russian spy ship away from their cables: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/16/russian-spy-sh...

A disruption in communications can mean only one thing: invasion.

This isn’t Reddit…

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Post by M3L0NM4N »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #652
burningChrome wrote: post #373

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Its also been widely reported that when Trump first met Putin he said if he invaded Ukraine, he would turn Moscow and several other cities into a parking lot. Trump in several interviews has said he warned Putin not to do it, that he would pay a very, very heavy cost and he would see to it that he would. This is all Trump had to do. He was able to leverage the media's reporting on him that he was reckless, dangerous…

> Its also been widely reported that when Trump first met Putin he said if he invaded Ukraine, he would turn Moscow and several other cities into a parking lot. Yeah. Trump talks a lot. Like his best friend, Melon.

I am NOT his best friend.

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Post by aguaviva »

holoduke wrote: post #770
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #688

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Maybe, but that's assuming their war economy lasts for that long, that they still have people to run those things, etc. Besides, Europe was caught with its proverbial pants down; in 5-10 years, they will (should) have their military up to speed again, with fresher, better equipped and better trained people than Russia has. The border countries have all upgraded their defenses already, and if they invade a NATO countr…

You forgot one thing. Nato has zero combat experience. Its entire economy is not suitable for warfare. Will take a lot longer than 5 years.

Nato has zero combat experience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NATO_operations

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