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Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by seniortaco »

jcd748 wrote: post #507
low_tech_love wrote: post #27

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

Life is short and I like creating things. AI is not part of how I write, or code, or make pixel art, or compose. It's very important to me that whatever I make represents some sort of creative impulse or want, and is reflective of me as a person and my life and experiences to that point. If other people want to hit enter, watch as reams of text are generated, and then slap their name on it, I can't stop them. But dee…

That's true art, I love people like you. Technology can do a lot of things but it cannot give people or society principles, and without principles society fails.

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #310
eleveriven wrote: post #34

AI is a tool, and like any tool, it's only as good as how we choose to use it.

No, that is wrong. We can't "choose" because too many people have instincts. And people always have the instinct to use new technology to gain incremental advantages over others, and that in turn puts pressure on everyone to use it. That prisoner's dilemma situation means that without a firm and larger guiding moral philosophy, we really can't choose because instinct takes over choice. In other words, the way technol…

The Goddess answers: "What is the matter with that, if it’s what you want to do?"

Malaclypse: "But nobody wants it! Everybody hates it!"

Goddess: "Oh. Well, then stop."

-- https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

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Post by hatthew »

amelius wrote: post #707
bloppe wrote: post #687

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have been improving a lot, but that improvement is already plateauing and all the fundamental problems have not disappeared. AI needs another architectural breakthrough to keep up the pace of advancement.

If they were plateauing it would mean OpenAI would have lost its headstart wrt the competition, which is not the case I believe.

OpenAI had a noticeable head start with GPT-2 in 2019. They capitalized on that head start with ChatGPT in late 2022, and relatively speaking they plateaued from that point onwards. They lost that head start 2.5 months later with the announcement of Google Bard, and since then they've been only slightly ahead of the curve.

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Post by latexr »

Animats wrote: post #666

I'm tired of LLMs. Enough billions of dollars have been spent on LLMs that a reasonably good picture of what they can and can't do has emerged. They're really good at some things, terrible at others, and prone to doing something totally wrong some fraction of the time. That last limits their usefulness. They can't safely be in charge of anything important. If someone doesn't soon figure out how to get a confidence me…

> They're really good at some things, terrible at others, and prone to doing something totally wrong some fraction of the time. (…) They can't safely be in charge of anything important.

Agreed. If everyone understood that and operated under that assumption, it wouldn’t be that much of an issue. Alas, these guessing machines are marketed as all-knowing oracles that can already solve half of humanity’s problems and a significant number of people treat them as being right every time, even in instances where they’re provably wrong.

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Post by dimitri-vs »

amelius wrote: post #707
bloppe wrote: post #687

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have been improving a lot, but that improvement is already plateauing and all the fundamental problems have not disappeared. AI needs another architectural breakthrough to keep up the pace of advancement.

If they were plateauing it would mean OpenAI would have lost its headstart wrt the competition, which is not the case I believe.

They have, Anthropic Claude Sonnet 3.5 is superior to GPT-4o in every way, it's even better then their new o1 model at most things (coding, writing, etc.).

OpenAI went from GPT-4, which was mind blowing, to 4o, which was okay, to o1 which was basically built in chain-of-thought.

No new Whisper models (granted, advanced voice chat is pretty cool). No new Dalle models. And nobody is sure what happened to Sora.

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Post by latexr »

koliber wrote: post #45

I am approaching AI with caution. Shiny things don't generally excite me. Just this week I installed cursor, the AI-assisted VSCode-like IDE. I am working on a side project and decided to give it a try. I am blown away. I can describe the feature I want built, and it generates changes and additions that get me 90% there, within 15 or so seconds. I take those changes, and carefully review them, as if I was doing a cod…

> We are at the point where AI writes code for us and we can blindly accept it.

I’m waiting for the day we’ll get the first major breach because someone did exactly that. This is not a case of “if”, it is very much a “when”. I’ve seen enough buggy LLM-generated code and enough people blindly accepting it to be confident in that assertion.

I do hope it doesn’t happen, but I think it will.

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Post by seniortaco »

lokimedes wrote: post #90
low_tech_love wrote: post #27

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

I get two associations from your comment: One about how AI being mainly used to interpolate within a corpus of prior knowledge, seems like entropy in a thermodynamical sense. The other, how this is like the Tower of Babel but where distrust is sown by sameness rather than differences. In fact, relying on AI for coding and writing, feels more like channeling demonic suggestions than anything else. No wonder we are bec…

I know and at my company we actually cannot disable the AI suggestions :(

It's like dealing with a pathological liar who produces very convincing looking code for me to review, but actually there is a bug in it 50% of the time. It's like it's trying to trick me into committing bugs.

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Post by zaptheimpaler »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #478
Roark66 wrote: post #352

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>The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die Do you think AI has changed that in any way? I remember the sea of excrement overtaking genuine human written content on the Internet around mid 2010s. It is around that time when Google stopped pretending they are a search company and focused on their pr…

Google didn't change it, it embodied it. The problem isn't AI, it's the pervasive culture of PR and advertising which appeared in the 50s and eventually consumed its host. Western industrial culture was based on substance - getting real shit done. There was always a lot of scammery around it, but the bedrock goal was to make physical things happen - build things, invent things, deliver things, innovate. PR and ad cul…

Just yesterday I watched a video blaming China for "oversupplying" electric cars at low prices and how that was hurting car manufacturers elsewhere e.g Germany. These manufacturers were trying to secretly lobby for tariffs to be placed on Chinese cars, while publicly denying this because THEIR largest and growing market was China. They had some "expert" talk about how China is known to oversupply and is doing this to recover from their housing bubble. All of these experts were preaching the virtues of Western free-trade to the east when they were the ones exporting TO Asia 10 years ago, but now the balance flips and they all tell you how important tariffs are and how evil China is instead..

In summary, China makes useful things in mass and sells them to get out of a recession,the West prints money instead and shits on China for doing it better. They preach free trade while it helps them and put up tariffs when it doesn't.

I'm not Chinese or some mega fan but it really struck me how corrupt and full of propaganda western culture is becoming and people don't seem to recognize it.

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Post by riku_iki »

famouswaffles wrote: post #763
bloppe wrote: post #687

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have been improving a lot, but that improvement is already plateauing and all the fundamental problems have not disappeared. AI needs another architectural breakthrough to keep up the pace of advancement.

>but that improvement is already plateauing Based on what ? The gap between the release of GPT-3 and 4 is still much bigger than the time that has elapsed since 4 was already released so really, Based on what ?

there are no much reliable benchmarks which would measure what is gap really. I think currently corps compete in who will leak benchmarks to training data the most, hence o1 is world programming medalist, yet makes stupid mistakes.
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