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Post by ravenstine »

FL33TW00D wrote: post #768

Incredible amount of negativity here. Huge kudos to Meta for breaking new ground and doing a ton of R&D/M&A to get to this point. Once MicroLED comes on a little further and the form factor shrinks this could be the next consumer electronics platform. Silicon carbide is really interesting, we need high RI materials to make this work. Hopefully glass 3D printing or similar will make cheap, Rx waveguides possible.

I agree, though it's hard not to be negative. My first thought after "oh cool" was "how long until this thing languishes and gets discontinued?" The recent history of AR devices doesn't exactly do Meta a service.

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FL33TW00D wrote: post #768

Incredible amount of negativity here. Huge kudos to Meta for breaking new ground and doing a ton of R&D/M&A to get to this point. Once MicroLED comes on a little further and the form factor shrinks this could be the next consumer electronics platform. Silicon carbide is really interesting, we need high RI materials to make this work. Hopefully glass 3D printing or similar will make cheap, Rx waveguides possible.

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Post by Invictus0 »

modeless wrote: post #327
Twirrim wrote: post #12

I know it's a prototype, but yikes those are large and goofy looking. Reminds me of the old 80's NHS glasses in the UK (which you could get for free if you couldn't afford otherwise). Or for those of you old enough, Brains from the old Supermarionation versions of the Thunderbird show ( https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article8451975.ec... )

They are as small as the technology can be made today. Meta knows that they are still too big. Zuckerberg said on stage that they will attempt to miniaturize them further and this is not a consumer product today. Making them as small as they are is an incredible feat actually. They are better than Hololens in every respect and Hololens is absolutely massive in comparison. There are at least 5 cameras, two HD projecto…

It's not that much bigger than the prada frames on the sunglasshut bestsellers page: https://www.sunglasshut.com/us/best-sellers

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Post by leohonexus »

ang_cire wrote: post #745
leohonexus wrote: post #732

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks, I've updated my comment to clarify. I think HN is being incorrectly negative here. The original comment about Dropbox was saying how everyone can "trivially" implement Dropbox using a network share and hence it has no reason to exist - but obviously this is wrong. Many HN commenters are now saying how they won't ever buy anything from Meta. That's fair, but brand perceptions shift - newer generations are alre…

That's the thing, the stuff you described isn't a phone replacement; we don't use our phones to do that right now. I do think that AR and holographic projection (which is also advancing very nicely, and having some very cool tech demos[1]) have a lot of interesting uses, but it's not doing the stuff that we use phones to do now (reading websites, watching videos, listening to music, text chatting, etc). I don't know…

I hear you, I can see how it might not be a "replacement", rather a better word would be "alternative".

Phones are here to stay, but I was hinting on how only a few years ago it's hard to envision how a person could live a modern life without smartphones, and yet increasingly products are coming out that reduce our phone reliance - from modern dumbphones [1], to cellular smartwatches, to (the failed) Humane Pin, and now this. Which in my opinion actually has the best shot at dethroning the phone.

Whether this outcome would be better I don't know, but with every new wave there's an opportunity to learn from past mistakes and fix them. Take watching short videos for example, I don't think most would agree it's the best use of time, yet people watch them out of compulsion. A form factor that discourages watching videos might actually be better in this case. Ultimately I think a lot of what people currently do on their phones will have an alternative on AR. It's not 1-to-1, but it'll be pretty damn close.

[1] https://www.thelightphone.com/lightiii

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Post by michaelbuckbee »

benreesman wrote: post #358

I've long been a huge skeptic of the whole Metaverse project/undertaking, I think I've called it a smoking crater where ten billion dollars used to be. But this is really interesting: it sounds like the display works, and it sounds like the puck is workable, and it sounds like both can squeak above the line in terms of battery life. If those things are true I may turn out to have been completely wrong. I don't know t…

Facebook lost this wave of mobile smart devices (anyone remember the Facebook phone?)

This $10B bet is that they're the leader of the next wave where smart glasses replace smartphones.

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Post by falcor84 »

al_borland wrote: post #587
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #293

I met a lady once, we were in a line at DefCon. She worked on these and was quite concerned that they'd end up on the heads of children, feeding content-reaction biometrics about those children to people who would then use that data to manipulate those children in harmful ways. I'm curious if people think that that's worth worrying about, or if the idea of optimizing ad placement based on whether it makes your pupils…

> optimizing ad placement I don't know about anyone else, but I will never buy AR glasses with ads. That's a deal breaker for me.

Maybe it could actually be used for the inverse - automatically overlay any ads in your field of view with pictures of kittens, or something like that.

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Post by olalonde »

dools wrote: post #589

I just can't imagine ever buying something like this from Facebook. I know everyone shits on about Google being bad and whatnot, but the things I buy from Google aren't really part of their advertising business. I pay for Workspace and Google Cloud Platform, and those things don't advertise at me. I am more likely to cruise around already logged into Google as a result of using those things, which obviously plays int…

I actively avoid Facebook URLs because I don't want to see all my unread Messenger/Facebook notifications.

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Post by leohonexus »

FL33TW00D wrote: post #768

Incredible amount of negativity here. Huge kudos to Meta for breaking new ground and doing a ton of R&D/M&A to get to this point. Once MicroLED comes on a little further and the form factor shrinks this could be the next consumer electronics platform. Silicon carbide is really interesting, we need high RI materials to make this work. Hopefully glass 3D printing or similar will make cheap, Rx waveguides possible.

Agreed. I was commenting [1] on how this could be one of the posts where HN is totally wrong about looking back 10 years from now, similar to the Dropbox post.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41656380

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Post by westmeal »

rbetts wrote: post #767
camgunz wrote: post #677

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take a totally different position than you do. If I can't think of a technical reason Google can't get data from something, I assume they do. Why do you think otherwise? Google's full of exactly the same rapacious MBA types that Facebook is, and has the exact same obligations to its shareholders. They're essentially the same business (trap users in your services to mine their data and show them ads). I honestly see…

I find the MBA hate on HN so weird. The founders and leaders of these companies are technologists first. We need to look in the mirror - there's no dodge that software developers, not MBAs, have built these invasive, addictive, misleading, and dangerous products.

The MBAs tell them to build invasive, addictive misleading and dangerous products and they have to do it otherwise the software developer gets replaced with another one that will do the job.
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