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Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by golergka »

DevX101 wrote: post #425
einszwei wrote: post #196

From Israel's perspective, this supply chain attack was undoubtedly a clever move, but I can't help but wonder about its long-term consequences. Although it was aimed at harming Israel's adversaries, third-party countries may now hesitate to involve Israel in their supply chains. There's also the risk that other major producers could replicate this tactic, potentially leading to further escalation in the region or be…

Right now one of the fastest growing companies is the Israel cybersecurity company Wiz, founded by founders and investors from Israel's Unit 8200, their secretive cyber hacking group. Seems to me a massive security risk for any US company to be relying on critical security to a non American founded companies.

About half of all Israeli tech workers are from 8200. It's nothing remarkable at all.

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Post by loeg »

phirgate wrote: post #761

This is terrorism. Israel is not an island defending from terrorist, they are the ones spreading terror. What they did to their neighbouring countries could be happen to others. Can we stop praising this as clever and impressive attack and start holding Israel accountable!?

Hezbollah is at war with Israel. The targets are combatants, not civilians.

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Post by negativeonehalf »

chrisco255 wrote: post #272

While a clever attack it's also highly likely there was collateral damage to nonviolent or noninvolved bystanders.

Definitely sad when there is collateral damage. But I don't see how it is possible to fight a war with absolutely zero collateral damage - do you? Hezbollah started firing rockets at Israel on Oct 7 before they even responded.

It is better not to fight a war at all, but this is not always an option.

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Post by hackerlight »

ok123456 wrote: post #738
saintradon wrote: post #699

This is why Chinese made electric cars are a bad idea in America. But Kudos to Israel for pulling off a surgical strike the likes of which we've never seen before.

Kudos to pulling off state-sponsored terrorism that killed many innocent civilians, including doctors and nurses who relied on the same pagers? This is like celebrating the 9/11 hijackers for the "creative hack" of using a box cutter.

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Post by aussieguy1234 »

RickJWagner wrote: post #720
aussieguy1234 wrote: post #711

Honestly, at this point, I see absolutely zero difference, from a moral perspective, between the Israeli government and their enemies. Both are as bad as each other and have been implicated in many war crimes and human rights abuses, however Israel has more firepower and can inflict much more damage (E.g. demolish an entire apartment block, killing hundreds of innocent people from the air). The last thing any country…

I see a clear difference. One side still holds hostages, the other does not. One side perpetrated murder, rape and kidnapping, the other did not. Etc.

Rape has been committed by both sides: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un...

Are you seriously suggesting, in any way, that blowing up an entire apartment building and all of the innocent civilians inside is not murder?

Israel holds many innocent Palestinian civilians in its prison as its own hostages. These people are held without trial and subjected to rape and other abuses. The difference? Its a state doing it, so to alot of people this somehow makes it ok.

Again, not taking sides here, but both sides are as bad as each other.

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Post by hersko »

Taniwha wrote: post #745
einszwei wrote: post #196

From Israel's perspective, this supply chain attack was undoubtedly a clever move, but I can't help but wonder about its long-term consequences. Although it was aimed at harming Israel's adversaries, third-party countries may now hesitate to involve Israel in their supply chains. There's also the risk that other major producers could replicate this tactic, potentially leading to further escalation in the region or be…

Israel's economy is already in the toilet due to them becoming an International pariah because of the ongoing genocide - this will just make it worse

Israel has the second highest GDP in the middle east[1].

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Middle_Eastern_countri...

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Post by jrochkind1 »

einszwei wrote: post #196

From Israel's perspective, this supply chain attack was undoubtedly a clever move, but I can't help but wonder about its long-term consequences. Although it was aimed at harming Israel's adversaries, third-party countries may now hesitate to involve Israel in their supply chains. There's also the risk that other major producers could replicate this tactic, potentially leading to further escalation in the region or be…

it makes me think the Israeli decision-makers are trying to leave Hezbollah no choice but to escalate into a larger war. I think Hezbollah has been trying to avoid escalation into all out war, responding in limited proportionate ways despite Israel continuing to escalate. (Can you imagine if Hezbollah had detonated thousands of such devices in Israel? I'd be scared of a nuclear response).

But Israeli leaders maybe decided Hezbollah's hesitation to escalate into all out war must mean that such a war must be good for us and bad for them? Let's try to really make em do it, so we can invade Lebanon again? Why Israeli government thinks it wants an invasion of Lebanon right now, I don't know, but it looks like that's where this goes to me and they must know it?

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Post by aussieguy1234 »

fsckboy wrote: post #714
aussieguy1234 wrote: post #711

Honestly, at this point, I see absolutely zero difference, from a moral perspective, between the Israeli government and their enemies. Both are as bad as each other and have been implicated in many war crimes and human rights abuses, however Israel has more firepower and can inflict much more damage (E.g. demolish an entire apartment block, killing hundreds of innocent people from the air). The last thing any country…

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Their current government is basically run by extremists, with government ministers openly calling for a second Nakba https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231009-israel-mk-calls-f....

Calling for a second Nakba, in my opinion, is no different to the chants of "death to isreal" coming from the other side.

I would say they are about as democratic as the former south african apartheid government. Democratic yes, but only one group of people gets to vote.

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Post by mjfl »

respondo2134 wrote: post #691
einszwei wrote: post #196

From Israel's perspective, this supply chain attack was undoubtedly a clever move, but I can't help but wonder about its long-term consequences. Although it was aimed at harming Israel's adversaries, third-party countries may now hesitate to involve Israel in their supply chains. There's also the risk that other major producers could replicate this tactic, potentially leading to further escalation in the region or be…

I don't see this as a smart move (let alone strategy) in any time frame. As a third-party observer greatly removed from the conflict I used to view Israel as an island under attack from terrorists. Now I'm struggling to see the differences between their activities and blowing up airplanes or launching rockets from schools and hospitals. You can say I'm naive, and why would Israel care about how I feel, but as a count…

you should really take a rigorous look into the history of early Israel and the ideologies of its founding members like Hertzl and Jabotinsky. They have always been terrorists.
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