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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by lukan »

hnpolicestate wrote: post #728

It's hard to respond to some of the commentary here. We truly exist mentally on different planets. The West wants Telegram destroyed because the platform permits the sharing of information and ideas that are in opposition to Western domestic and foreign policy(Israel, Ukraine, China etc). This is in addition to the West not having a backdoor to Telegram and not having it's servers on Western soil. Why do you want you…

"Why do you want your country to have access to your private thoughts and opinions? "

Anyone who does not want that, should stay away from Telegram in the first place - an app that stores all your private messages unencrypted for the company to read. All your interactions on any channel ever - all their data. All this is about is sharing that data with the western governments. The russian government already has it for example.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by Ray20 »

toofy wrote: post #732
ranndino wrote: post #551

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram is not a behemoth like Facebook so doesn't have their resources to moderate everything. Even Facebook isn't particularly good at it. They mostly rely on software which often produces false positives. This arrest is completely preposterous and is just an attempt to get Durov to play ball with France's privacy destroying authorities.

lately when i see arguments like yours one thing keeps popping into my head. i’m not sure how i feel about the following yet but it’s been on my mind a bit for the past couple of years: if someone is incapable of making good faith genuine attempts to mitigate against atrocious things happening openly in the property they control, then isn’t this fairly solid evidence they’re just not capable of owning that property?…

According to this rule, approximately 100% of officials must be thrown out of their jobs right this second. I think you are mostly correct about irresponsibility, incompetence, and excuses, but I don't see why there should be legal consequences for people who did not take on any obligations. Especially in the situation, when people who take on, like all officials, have no responsibility

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by DonHopkins »

lovegrenoble wrote: post #77

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Boo fucking hoo. Being opposed to fascist dictators invading peaceful countries isn't "Russophobia", it's rational and ethical. If Putin dropped dead and was replaced by sane people, there wouldn't be anywhere near as much so-called "Russophobia". Stop painting yourself and your corrupt murderous warmongering invading fascist dictator tyrants as the victims. It's totally your fault that reasonable peaceful people justifiably hate you, as long as you're invading Ukraine, threatening nuclear war, oppressing LGBTQ people, and bullshit like that.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by RandomThoughts3 »

rfoo wrote: post #764
RandomThoughts3 wrote: post #753

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Signal or Matrix don’t openly advertise channels next to you selling drugs from directly inside the application. Telegram does. The “people nearby” feature is literally “find me a dealer close by”.

Or "find me a hook up close by", "find me the notification channel of a nearby protest" (mind you, this actually happened in Hong Kong in 2019). But yeah, what you said also makes sense. I don't use this feature as I don't really want to send my precise location to Telegram but I can imagine it being in someone else's usability complain against Signal, too.

“find me a hook up close by” literally means “find me a prostitute nearby” which is also illegal here and is indeed present on Telegram.

Considering how everyone reporting their actual experience with Telegram here is downvoted to death, it seems to really hurt some users to actually consider that maybe the reason Durov got arrested is because Telegram welcomes criminals with open arms and does absolutely nothing to moderate the platform.

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Post by V-2 »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #731
hnpolicestate wrote: post #728

It's hard to respond to some of the commentary here. We truly exist mentally on different planets. The West wants Telegram destroyed because the platform permits the sharing of information and ideas that are in opposition to Western domestic and foreign policy(Israel, Ukraine, China etc). This is in addition to the West not having a backdoor to Telegram and not having it's servers on Western soil. Why do you want you…

> Why do you want your country to control what you can see, read or say? No no, I want my country to control what other people can see, read or say. Not me: I'm a good person.

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear : )

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Post by andrewshadura »

tome wrote: post #712
chucke1992 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort But that's what exactly they want no? EU is literally implementing a regulation that will allow to "circumvent end-to-end encryption to address child sexual abuse material". I believe it failed to pass recently, but they will try again - and nothing stops countries to implement it independently. I think France is th…

Perhaps you got thrown by the double negative? > I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort means > I believe every western nation wants all messaging to be locally-backdoored

No, it doesn't?

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Post by RandomThoughts3 »

sofixa wrote: post #767
RandomThoughts3 wrote: post #750

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Most of the people I know use Telegram to buy drugs. The main use of Telegram in France is supporting illegal activities. The page allowing you to discover channels in your neighbourhood was clearly designed to facilitate that. Telegram has basically no market share as a chat application here outside of that. You don’t see “the West” whatever that means go after WhatsApp, Signal or Matrix. That should tell you someth…

> Most of the people I know use Telegram to buy drugs I'm in France. I use Telegram extensively for chatting with friends (1:1 or group chats) because its UX was vastly better than any of the alternatives when we started a few years ago (stuff like polls to decide when to meet, location sharing to find one another in a crowded place), custom bots, being able to edit messages to fix typos, etc. Nowadays WhatsApp does…

I also know people buying drugs on WhatsApp but you need to get the contact by another mean. You can’t find it inside WhatsApp.

I know absolutely no one using Telegram as a chat app however. Pretty much everyone uses WhatsApp for everything here.

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Post by Ray20 »

28304283409234 wrote: post #713
ren_engineer wrote: post #90

the EU is becoming a parody >we've got to save democracy by restricting free speech and enforcing laws and regulations created by unelected officials

"free speech" has never meant "free of consequence".

In the context of this thread, freedom of speech always meant exactly that.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by lisnake »

hnpolicestate wrote: post #728

It's hard to respond to some of the commentary here. We truly exist mentally on different planets. The West wants Telegram destroyed because the platform permits the sharing of information and ideas that are in opposition to Western domestic and foreign policy(Israel, Ukraine, China etc). This is in addition to the West not having a backdoor to Telegram and not having it's servers on Western soil. Why do you want you…

Telegram's data centers are located in USA, Netherlands and Singapore

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Post by aikinai »

sofixa wrote: post #767
RandomThoughts3 wrote: post #750

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the people I know use Telegram to buy drugs. The main use of Telegram in France is supporting illegal activities. The page allowing you to discover channels in your neighbourhood was clearly designed to facilitate that. Telegram has basically no market share as a chat application here outside of that. You don’t see “the West” whatever that means go after WhatsApp, Signal or Matrix. That should tell you someth…

> Most of the people I know use Telegram to buy drugs I'm in France. I use Telegram extensively for chatting with friends (1:1 or group chats) because its UX was vastly better than any of the alternatives when we started a few years ago (stuff like polls to decide when to meet, location sharing to find one another in a crowded place), custom bots, being able to edit messages to fix typos, etc. Nowadays WhatsApp does…

Not in France, but same experience here. Telegram has by far the best UX and clients of any chat app, so that’s what I use with my friends and family.
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