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Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Look at it from the perspective of an elected official: If it succeeds, you were ahead of the curve. If it fails, you were prudent enough to fund an investigation early. Either way, bleeding edge tech gives you a W.

Or you wasted a bunch of tax payer money on some over hyped and over funded nonsense.

You'll be long gone before they find out.

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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> We’re releasing Llama 3.1 405B, the first frontier-level open source AI model, as well as new and improved Llama 3.1 70B and 8B models. Bravo! While I don't agree with Zuck's views and actions on many fronts, on this occasion I think he and the AI folks at Meta deserve our praise and gratitude. With this release, they have brought the cost of pretraining a frontier 400B+ parameter model to ZERO for pretty much ever…

Makes me wonder why he's really doing this. Zuckerberg being Zuckerberg, it can't be out of any genuine sense of altruism. Probably just wants to crush all competitors before he monetizes the next generation of Meta AI.

Zuckerberg didn't really say anything about altruism. The point he was making is an explicit "I believe open models are best for our business"

He was clear in that one of their motivations is avoiding vendor lockin. He doesn't want Meta to be under the control of their competitors or other AI providers.

He also recognizes the value brought to his company by open sourcing products. Just look at React, PyTorch, and GraphQL. All industry standards, and all brought tremendous value to Facebook.

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Meanwhile Facebook is flooded with AI-generated slop with hundreds of thousands of other bots interacting with it to boost it to whoever is insane enough to still use that putrid hellhole of a mass-data-harvesting platform. Dead internet theory is very much happening in real time, and I dread what's about to come since the world has collectively decided to lose their minds with this AI crap. And people on this site a…

They're trajectory is so close to AOL's it's almost implausible. Their cash cow flagship product is widely panned by tech insiders as abusive, manipulative, and toxic but they also place significant financial resources in high quality open source projects out of what can only be described as benevolence and some commitment to the common good.

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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> We’re releasing Llama 3.1 405B, the first frontier-level open source AI model, as well as new and improved Llama 3.1 70B and 8B models. Bravo! While I don't agree with Zuck's views and actions on many fronts, on this occasion I think he and the AI folks at Meta deserve our praise and gratitude. With this release, they have brought the cost of pretraining a frontier 400B+ parameter model to ZERO for pretty much ever…

Don't be fooled, it is a "embrace extend extinguish" strategy. Once they have enough usage and be the default standard they will start to find any possible ways to make you pay.

Credits where due: Facebook didn't do that with React or PyTorch. Meta will reap benefit for sure, but they don't seem to be betting on selling the model itself, rather they will benefit from being at the forefront of a new ecosystem.

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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In regards to the dead internet hypothesis, the content that you're enjoying today, will still be there tomorrow. What I mean is if you, for example, like Mr.Beast, AI is not going to replace him and the content that he produces. Now, he might use AI to boost the productivity of his company, but the end result is still "making the best video ever" as he's often said.

The big problem with this is that content is harder and harder to find. Try to find a non-AI generated reply to a viral post on Twitter, you're looking at having to scroll down 5-6 1080p screens to finally get to some actual stuff people wrote. The content you're enjoying today still exists, but it's a needle in a haystack of AI spam

We need a law or something that impose platforms to label any text that is only AI and text reworked by AI. And the possibility to filter both (we did this with industrial products). Then let humanity decide what it wants to feed itself with. I prefer to give up completely internet if it would only be filled with generated content. I gladly let it to people who enjoy that. Maybe a platform that label this and allows strict filtering (if possible) would be a success.

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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I thoroughly support Meta's open-sourcing of these AI models going forward. However, for a company that absolutely closed down discussions about providing API access to their platform, I'm left wondering what's in it (monetarily) for them by doing this? Is it to simply undercut competition in the space, like some grocery store selling below cost?

Meta open sources its tools: React, GraphQL, PyTorch, and now these new models. Meta seems to be about open sourcing tools, not providing open access to their platforms.

The AI model complements the platform, and their platform is the money maker. They hold the belief that open sourcing their tools benefit their platform on the long run, which is why they're doing it. And in doing so, they aren't under the control of any competitors.

I would say it's more like a grocery store providing free parking, a bus stop, self-checkout, online menu, and free delivery.

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Meanwhile Facebook is flooded with AI-generated slop with hundreds of thousands of other bots interacting with it to boost it to whoever is insane enough to still use that putrid hellhole of a mass-data-harvesting platform. Dead internet theory is very much happening in real time, and I dread what's about to come since the world has collectively decided to lose their minds with this AI crap. And people on this site a…

They're trajectory is so close to AOL's it's almost implausible. Their cash cow flagship product is widely panned by tech insiders as abusive, manipulative, and toxic but they also place significant financial resources in high quality open source projects out of what can only be described as benevolence and some commitment to the common good.

Which open-source projects is AOL known for? A quick Google search isn’t returning much.

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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No, I've proposed removing or reducing IP protections, not transferring them to the state. Allowing competitors to enter the market will obviously increase investment in competitors...

This is already happening - its called China. There's a reason they don't innovate in anything, and they are always playing catch-up, except in the art of copying (stealing) from others. I do think there are some serious IP issues, as IP rules can be hijacked in the US, but that means you fix those problems, not blow up IP that was rightfully earned

> they don't innovate in anything

They are leaders in solar and EVs.

Remember how Japan leapfrogged the western car industry, and six sigma became required reading for managers in every industry?

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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Meanwhile Facebook is flooded with AI-generated slop with hundreds of thousands of other bots interacting with it to boost it to whoever is insane enough to still use that putrid hellhole of a mass-data-harvesting platform. Dead internet theory is very much happening in real time, and I dread what's about to come since the world has collectively decided to lose their minds with this AI crap. And people on this site a…

The feed certainly is, but I suspect most activity left on Facebook is happening in group pages. Groups are the only thing I still log in for as some of them, particularly the local ones, have no other way of taking part. They are also commonly membership by request and actively moderated. If I had the time (and energy) I might put some effort into advocating to moving to something else, but it will be an uphill batt…

For me it's the Marketplace. Left FB many years ago only to come back to keep an eye out for used Lego for the kiddos. At least in my region, and for my purposes, Marketplace is miles better than any other competing sites/apps.

Re: Open source AI is the path forward

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The big problem with this is that content is harder and harder to find. Try to find a non-AI generated reply to a viral post on Twitter, you're looking at having to scroll down 5-6 1080p screens to finally get to some actual stuff people wrote. The content you're enjoying today still exists, but it's a needle in a haystack of AI spam

This is the exact thing I keep telling people. It's all well and good saying human made content will still be around, but it will be covered in a tidal wave of cheaply generated AI hogwash.

Reminds me of shopping on
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