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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by eppsilon »

tomcam wrote: post #697
TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

I’ll be thoroughly impressed when Siri learns my wife’s name for good. Yes, I trained it, but somehow the lesson was forgotten.

You can set a relationship type in her contact card. I think Siri uses that data.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by ethbr1 »

ants_everywhere wrote: post #740
ethbr1 wrote: post #334

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> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem. It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft. I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't. Nobody…

That's actually exactly what you want. No one company should know what you do on all apps.

At this point, I trust {insert megacorp} more than {insert App Dev LLC} + {insert megacorp}.

Neither is great, but at least the megacorp has a financial incentive to maintain some of my privacy.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by lern_too_spel »

theshrike79 wrote: post #582
epolanski wrote: post #375

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> has a good track record with privacy They repeated this so many times they've made it true.

Do you have proof otherwise? Compared to the competition, who openly use everything about you to build a profile.

The iPhone will let you install an app only if you tell Apple about it. It will let you get your location only if you also give that location to Apple. The only way to get true privacy is to give users control, which even Google-flavored Android builds provide more of than iOS.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by xcv123 »

zmmmmm wrote: post #766

It's interesting to see Apple essentially throw in the towel on on-device compute. I fully expected them to announce a stupendous custom AI processor that would do state of the art LLMs entirely local. Very curious if they are seeing this as a temporary concession or if they are making a fundamental strategic shift here. The problem is, regardless how hard they try, I just don't believe their statements on their priv…

Why would you expect that? State of the art LLMs need a GPU with hundreds of GB of RAM costing tens of thousands of dollars. Apple doesn't have magical supernatural powers. They are still bound by the laws of physics. Siri is still running on device (mostly) and is quite powerful with this new update.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by IMTDb »

internetter wrote: post #631
windowshopping wrote: post #590

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I just don't think the average user cares enough to want this extra friction. It's like if every time you ran a google search it gave you lower-quality results and you had to click a "Yes, give me the better content" option every time to get it to then display the proper results. It's just an extra step which people are going to get sick of very fast. You know what it's really reminiscent of? The EU cookies legislati…

There is no cookie banner law: https://www.bitecode.dev/p/there-is-no-eu-cookie-banner-law // https://www.amazingcto.com/cookie-banners-are-not-needed/

In theory there isn't. In practice > 99% of the website I visit have a cookie banner thingy. Including the EU own website (https://european-union.europa.eu/index_en).

Think about it: even a government agency isn't able to produce a simple static web page without having to display that cookie banner. If their definitions of "bad cookies that require a banner" is so wide that even they can't work around it to correctly inform citizens, without collecting any private data, displaying any ad or reselling anything; maybe the definition is wrong.

For all intent and purposes, there is a cookie banner law.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by manquer »

theshrike79 wrote: post #589
KaiserPro wrote: post #463

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> Apple has a good track record with privacy and keeping things on device. I mean they have great PR, but in terms of privacy, they extract more information from you than google does.

Do you have a source for this? Google is an ad company, they have a full model of what you like and dont like at different states of your life built. What does Apple have that's even close?

Apple is also an ad company,

they generate between $5-10B on ads alone a year now and more importantly that is one their fastest growing revenue segment .

Add the context of declining revenue from iPhone sales. That revenue and its potential will have enormous influence on decision making .

The thesis that Apple doesn’t have ads business so there is no use to collect the data is dead for 5years now

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by password54321 »

xcv123 wrote: post #774
zmmmmm wrote: post #766

It's interesting to see Apple essentially throw in the towel on on-device compute. I fully expected them to announce a stupendous custom AI processor that would do state of the art LLMs entirely local. Very curious if they are seeing this as a temporary concession or if they are making a fundamental strategic shift here. The problem is, regardless how hard they try, I just don't believe their statements on their priv…

Why would you expect that? State of the art LLMs need a GPU with hundreds of GB of RAM costing tens of thousands of dollars. Apple doesn't have magical supernatural powers. They are still bound by the laws of physics. Siri is still running on device (mostly) and is quite powerful with this new update.

"There is no way we can reduce the size of transistors" - You in the 20th century.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by abhpro »

olddustytrail wrote: post #558
TreetopPlace wrote: post #522

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"AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't`' Your quote really hit me. I trust Apple to respect my privacy when doing AI, but the thought of Microsoft or Google slurping up all my data to do remote-server AI is abhorrent. I can't see how Microsoft or Google can undo the last 10 years to fix this.

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That might be "trust" in a relative sense

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by a_petrov »

What would be interesting for me is, if I can develop an app for, let's say macOS, and expose its context to Siri (with Intelligence) in an easy way.

For example:

Imagine a simple Amazon price tracker I have in my menu bar. I pick 5 products that I want to have their price tracked. I want that info to be exposed to Siri too. And then I can simply ask Siri a tricky question: "Hey Siri, check Amazon tracker app, and tell me if it's a good moment to buy that coffee machine." I'd even expect Siri to get me that data from my app and be able to send it over my email. It doesn't sound like rocket science.

In the end of the day, the average user doesn't like writing with a chatbot. The average user doesn't really like reading (as it could be overwhelming). But the average user could potentially like an assistant that offloads some basic tasks that are not mission critical.

By mission critical I mean asking the next best AI assistant to buy you a plane ticket.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by [deleted] »

wwalexander wrote: post #597
tonyabracadabra wrote: post #538

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The image generation is dalle 2.5 level and feels really greasy to me, beyond that I think the overall launch is pretty good! I also congratulate rabbit r1 for their timely release months before WWDC https://heymusic.ai/music/apple-intel-fEoSb

Yeah, the image generation felt really…cheap?…tasteless? but everything else was really impressive.

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