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Post by lambdaba »

sorwin wrote: post #573
lambdaba wrote: post #117

Great, now do psilocybin, LSD and MDMA.

Yeah, no. We're already in a drug crisis as it is. We need to teach people that doing drugs (of any kind) isn't the answer to problems. Soft times seems to have created this problem where people would rather escape their lives than live them out.

You just reflexively replied with what you have been programmed to believe about mind-altering substances (aside from those exempted by the authorities). The use of "drug crisis" in reply to the substances mentioned is a clear indication of your prejudice and ignorance, given that MDMA has already been given breakthrough status by the FDA as a treatment for PTSD, psilocybin for major depression, and being studied for it's powerful anti-addictive effects, same as LSD (which had great results with curing alcoholism *in one session* when it was initially being studied in the 50s and 60s).

This entire thread is full of people who seemingly feel compelled to comment on things they are completely ignorant about, which one would hope to see less of on HN.

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Post by lambdaba »

rabbits77 wrote: post #597
sorwin wrote: post #573

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Yeah, no. We're already in a drug crisis as it is. We need to teach people that doing drugs (of any kind) isn't the answer to problems. Soft times seems to have created this problem where people would rather escape their lives than live them out.

I completely agree. People in the US need to learn that happiness cannot come from a purchase, whether it's chemicals to ingest or whatever else is being marketed to them. It's amazing what americans will do to their bodies and minds except get exercise and eat fresh healthy foods.

"we need to teach people" "people in the US need to learn"

Maybe you should volunteer to teach them, you make it sound so easy.

Meanwhile, try to inform yourself about the effects and usefulness of the above substances.

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Post by lambdaba »

nulld3v wrote: post #641
sorwin wrote: post #573

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Yeah, no. We're already in a drug crisis as it is. We need to teach people that doing drugs (of any kind) isn't the answer to problems. Soft times seems to have created this problem where people would rather escape their lives than live them out.

I don't think people do psilocybin and LSD to escape from reality. I'm not even sure how that would work, given how I understand tolerance works for those drugs?

Of course not, the drugs to escape reality are available for free (or nearly free) and en masse, because they are useful as a means of control.

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

somenameforme wrote: post #730
riehwvfbk wrote: post #703

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Pretty sure the Internet has not only not made manufacture of consent obsolete, it has greatly aided it. The book already calls out the public wanting truth for a dollar. Now they can have a custom truth that caters to their biases for a fraction of a cent! However, that doesn't mean anything for the subtle message this "truth" carries: a TikTok video can still carry a call to action just as well as a newspaper artic…

Don't you think your own example contradicts your premise? People have radically different biases. And so manufacturing consent requires the elimination of dissenting views, yet the internet specifically enables those views to flourish. For instance I had absolutely no idea what you were talking about with regards to Bin Laden, yet 30 seconds later I was reading a letter he wrote that there have apparently been wides…

> Manufacturing consent in this context would require the gradual but systematic elimination of every major platform and medium that might publish narratives contrary to the desired one

Why do you think they’re forcing TikTok to change ownership? US corporations are much easier to control.

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

somenameforme wrote: post #743
devnonymous wrote: post #724

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The excess of often conflicting information, is the same as no information.

I think there's quite a lot of great ways to get through the muck. For currently happening events, simply look at the various contradictory views, and find where they intersect. It's in that spot that one will nearly always find the truth. For past events, where the clear truth has come out, go back and visit various sites using something like archive.org. It often becomes quite clear which groups are making impartia…

I’m not quite sure if you’re suggesting that the middle ground is usually correct, but I think that heuristic fails on a lot of important issues.

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Post by mattmaroon »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #651
mattmaroon wrote: post #557

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I didn’t say it was. I just said employee theft is a bigger problem than robbery.

> you can imagine who works at them You might want to be more careful then. This empty space is a well known rhetorical device used to allude that you're making a negative judgement about people.

What it meant was, if you work at a place with all the cash controls of a casino, you have to be stoned to steal petty cash from them. You’re going to get caught, and you’re going to get a felony over a small amount of money. Nobody sober does that.

It was not meant as “all stoners are thieves” but as “you’d have to be high to think that’s a good idea”. And since nearly everyone who works at a dispensary is high all day every day, it happens, a lot more than armed robbery which almost never does.

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Post by mattmaroon »

DonHopkins wrote: post #702
mattmaroon wrote: post #513

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I see why you would say that, but you probably have not met very many people who work at a dispensary, I have. My brother got promoted to supervisor in a month for the simple reason that he is the only person who could wait until after work to get high. He’s told me quite a bit of what goes on there, and I am sure different dispensaries are different, but in any state where it is relatively recently legalized and the…

Which is why if you want to steal from dispensaries, just work in security, like your brother. Who's to say he's not stealing, and simply not bragging to you about it?

I said he’s a supervisor, not in security. He’s not an idiot. He’d be caught very quickly. Cash controls are such that everyone is.

I don’t know if every state is like mine, but here they have to do complete inventory every night. You can steal but they’ll know it happened by the end of the day and then start checking the footage. It happens.

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Post by giantg2 »

ajmurmann wrote: post #739
ryandrake wrote: post #402

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Porn and gambling are probably better examples. They're kryptonite to payment processors due to the chargeback risk.

Gambling is actually illegal trough, no? AFAIK porn is the only proper example

Gambling varies by type and jursidiction.

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Post by iancmceachern »

ben_w wrote: post #734
iancmceachern wrote: post #714

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Isn't the lack of free will also the lack of consciousness?

"Free will" and "consciousness" are poorly defined, as each means different things to different people. I can't remember if it was Frederick Nitzsche or Alistair Crowley who said there's only one thing you can do which is truly your own will; that definition seems to me inherently deterministic in a way which violates other people's ideas of free will. I've seen (and been confused by) a Young Earth creationist fundam…

>"Consciousness" apparently has around 40 definitions

Yes but only one that applies here.

From oxfords: "Internal knowledge or conviction; the state or fact of being mentally conscious or aware of something."

I disagree, I think they're both very clearly defined. Both in the clinical and law sense.

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Post by mattmaroon »

dragonwriter wrote: post #543
flawsofar wrote: post #381

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> you can imagine who works at them This is disgracefully elitist. White collar crime hurts more people.

The federal illegality of the weed business (and downstream effects of that illegality on working/business conditions) affects who works there, and that includes white collar employees (also investors, etc.)

Definitely. There are a lot of strange quirks to working at one.

For instance, Fannie and Freddie don’t recognize your income, so getting a mortgage is difficult.

The pay isn’t that great either, but they get a discount, and for a lot of people weed is one of their bigger expenses.

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