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Post by waynesonfire »

modeless wrote: post #5

Official blog post: https://about.fb.com/news/2024/04/introducing-our-open-mixed... Short video from Zuckerberg: https://twitter.com/NathieVR/status/1782436898654273981 This is an interesting move and feels like a response to complaints that Meta is hypocritical when complaining about closed platforms while running one themselves. But this isn't open source. I don't know why any OEMs would want to compete with Meta's…

> Short video from Zuckerberg

The use-cases for AR are so awful. The last thing I want is to consume already a passive medium with my family wearing goggles. Such an anti-social platform.

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Post by bartvk »

pavlov wrote: post #38
mebazaa wrote: post #22

Meta has a lot of work to do on DevEx for non-gaming experiences. Say what you want with the Vision Pro, but it comes with a lot of niceities like SwiftUI. When you develop with the Quest, you're stuck with Unity or Unreal Engine -- it's almost too much freedom to develop simple productivity apps.

OpenXR Mobile SDK is the native development option for the Quest devices: https://developer.oculus.com/documentation/native/android/mo...

I skimmed through it, but can't find the programming language without downloading the whole SDK. Is it Java, or Kotlin? Or something else?

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Post by zooq_ai »

unleaded wrote: post #727
zooq_ai wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Skills based games -- baseball, cricket, golf, tennis almost have infinite game play

what do you miss by playing them on the wii or IRL?

It's a completely different level compared to Wii.

The amount of sensors we have on controllers now means, it can pick your slight wrist movements for top spin, side spin and more accurately measure bat speed. The physics engine on these games are so close to being realistic.

Now, let's compare it to IRL and since I played college level cricket, I'll tell you the difference. When I practiced as an amateur, I was able to face at the most 25-30 pitches per day. Of them, only 1 or 2 were what I can remotely call "quality" pitches and I'd have to spend 3 hours per day.

In the Metaverse, in 3 hours, I'd have faced 750 quality pitches including 95mph pitches (The highest I ever faced in IRL was 70mph) including extremely difficult curve balls, deception etc.

All this for a marginal cost of $0 and the physics and simulation will only get better

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Post by zooq_ai »

t1c wrote: post #645
zooq_ai wrote: post #525

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once again, I feel very sorry for people who haven't enriched their lives with VR experiences and skills building. No different than people who poo-pooed computers and internet

I've used the Valve Index before, it's a great experience but not something that I found to be groundbreaking or life-changing.

You just haven't found your App yet.

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Post by xandrius »

_akhe wrote: post #449
xandrius wrote: post #290

Never wished something would quickly fail already at its announcement as much as this.

Long plane rides and TV before bed - 2 things it would be better at than what we have now. Imagine watching a 27" screen from across the room in the dark vs a screen that moves with your vision... No more awkward pillow adjusting to make a makeshift couch etc. your neck can finally just relax and you can stare at the screen however you're laying. In these cases you're not doing anything else anyway. But yeah, the Tes…

For your own health, try to avoid TV before bed, it's not good for your sleep.

I still think that watching movies/TV should be a social experience and not akin to scrolling on social media. My neck can be a bit less comfortable for that :D

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Post by haiku2077 »

stronglikedan wrote: post #460
distortedsignal wrote: post #342

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The low end of the market is taken - but (from an outsider perspective) the high end appears free. The people who want to buy a Honda aren't the same people who want to buy an Acura, even though it's (essentially) the same parts. Let's say that, tomorrow, Gucci or Dolce and Gabanna (or however you spell that) want to make a VR headset (why? who knows?). They don't have the tech acumen to compete with Facebook on expe…

> The people who want to buy a Honda aren't the same people who want to buy an Acura, even though it's (essentially) the same parts. Nit, but as an Acura driver (chooser), I can tell you that they are definitely not essentially the same parts. The irrelevant parts are the same, but everything that matters to the driver (suspension/drivetrain, interior materials, technology, etc.) all all different and better in the A…

This depends on the model. I have an Acura project car and most of my performance relevant parts are Honda part numbers. Interior is the main exception.

Heck, I've got a Civic intake manifold in the room with me to replace the Acura one, haha. (The generation of K series after mine has better airflow and it's an easy enough swap.)

The Acura brand doesn't even exist outside of the US- if a car is sold in Europe or Japan the parts are Honda.

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Post by einsteinx2 »

GeekyBear wrote: post #748
Eisenstein wrote: post #730

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They want their own platform so they can do whatever they want on their apps. They are playing the long game. Read zuck's VR vision letter. He lays it all out: * https://www.scribd.com/document/399594551/2015-06-22-MARK-S-...

Meta is the last company in the world that I would allow to have direct access to my gaze tracking data. The only thing that I can imagine that would be more privacy invasive would be a device that directly reads your brain waves while you are exposed to different stimuli.

I feel exactly the same, but I think we’re very much in the minority with that perspective compared to most consumers, so they could still sell like gangbusters.

And on that note I can’t wait to see Meta’s answer to Neuralink!

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Post by t1c »

zooq_ai wrote: post #774
t1c wrote: post #645

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I've used the Valve Index before, it's a great experience but not something that I found to be groundbreaking or life-changing.

You just haven't found your App yet.

I don't think it's that... I've tried many VR apps and games (as far back as 7 years ago!) and it's just not for me. Don't get me wrong, it can be fun and engaging, but not a game-changer. And that's fine, people are allowed to enjoy what they want to enjoy, and vice versa. There's a reason people have personal preferences.

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Post by rsync »

klabb3 wrote: post #612
rainsil wrote: post #584

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What unexplored space do you think is ripe for a totally new operating system?

Ironically, general purpose computing. Like servers, smartphones, etc. The premise of Fuchsia, as a prominent example, is to build an OS that operates more like a sandboxed/capabilities-based microservices platform, with structured IPC across processes. All major platforms both cloud and clients (even browsers) have gone to great lengths to deliver precisely that on top of existing OSs, with many expensive layers and…

For what it’s worth, I am doing this with FreeBSD right now … with jail.

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Post by fsflover »

lionkor wrote: post #751

Not personally interested in an OS from Meta - the only thing I use from Meta is WhatsApp, and that's just because it is difficult to replace here in central Europe. I don't get excited about new OSs unless they're FOSS. It sounds like an ideological take, but it's not: When an OS is not FOSS, they either succumb to the wrong incentives and lack of care (Windows) or just become a walled garden (MacOS). From what I've…

> It sounds like an ideological take, but it's not: When an OS is not FOSS, they either succumb to the wrong incentives

AFAIK, the whole point of the free software movement and the key idea in all Stallman's essays is that free software brings actual, practical benefits to users, long-term. It's not a religion.

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