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Re: This is a teenager

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Post by ErigmolCt »

cameldrv wrote: post #364

The punchline is this: "It's 2021. The research participants are in their late-30s now, which means they've had plenty of time to shape their own destinies. But we can clearly see that the experiences of their childhood had a huge effect on their financial situation as adults. It also has an effect on virtually everything else in their lives." You cannot infer the direction of causality from this data, i.e. that the…

I am pretty sure that the fact of witnessing someone being shot has an impact on your life. Maybe not connected with the data that was implemented here but still

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by usefulcat »

petesergeant wrote: post #650
usefulcat wrote: post #640

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 90% of Americans are insured I'm one of those 90%. My health insurance (family of 4) costs more than my house payment, and the annual deductible is over $6000 (for one person). Either the premiums or my deductible goes up every year. In terms of total cost (monthly premiums plus annual deductible) it's also pretty much the least expensive plan that I can get. It's not that health care here is bad, it's that it's ri…

> It's not that health care here is bad, it's that it's ridiculously expensive compared to most other places in the world. Sure, but the average American also gets paid $20k more than the average Brit, on average.

We spend over $30k annually just on premiums. On top of that, we pay for most doctor visits, tests, prescriptions and procedures out of pocket.

Edit: everything we pay out of pocket we can deduct from our taxable income (it's an HSA plan), but still.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by ErigmolCt »

Valakas_ wrote: post #731
cameldrv wrote: post #364

The punchline is this: "It's 2021. The research participants are in their late-30s now, which means they've had plenty of time to shape their own destinies. But we can clearly see that the experiences of their childhood had a huge effect on their financial situation as adults. It also has an effect on virtually everything else in their lives." You cannot infer the direction of causality from this data, i.e. that the…

If you knew even a little bit about trauma, you'd know it's not even up for debate at this point that trauma is a huge setback in life. Your risk of bad relationships, emotional dysregulation, physical ailments and diseases, stress, life unsatisfaction, (...) all increase as your ACE score increases. I keep repeating myself at this point, but trauma is the biggest epidemic with the most negative consequences that isn…

Yes, and such research should help increase society's engagement with this issue. Childhood need to be protected.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by somenameforme »

prmoustache wrote: post #282
somenameforme wrote: post #244

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They are extremely different states of being. You are happy to receive good news, or for something to turn out well, or whatever else. But it is not a resting state. It's a liminal state. Contentedness, by contrast, is a resting state. You can awake contented, fall asleep contented, and spend your days contented. You may rarely, if ever, experience happiness - yet find yourself able to find satisfaction in life nonet…

You are just being pedant while answering to a non native english speaker.

No, the words just have extremely different meanings. A child opens a Christmas present and starts rejoicing - nobody would claim 'Ah, look at him - he's so content!' One could even take this a step further to add that children, in general, cannot be content.

Contentedness is not happiness. And happiness is most certainly not contentedness. They're are just entirely different states of being.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by ErigmolCt »

mortify wrote: post #488
imacomputertoo wrote: post #209

The conclusion of this data presentation is that so of these people are our collective responsibility, and I just wasn't convinced. I wish they had shown percentages with the visualization. They choose not to. I was underwhelmed by some points that seemed like they should have been more shocking. Look at the huge number of people in the many adverse experiences category who made it to college, and make a high salary.…

The idea that we're collectively responsible is abjectly untrue. The only people with responsibility are the parents because they are the only ones who are allowed to make decisions. That is unless the government wants to take their children away because they're "uninvolved." Not that a government employee or paid foster family is likely to be better. The fact is that people with positive influences and role models w…

I think this conclusion should encourage people to think about the current problem and how childhood can influence success in adulthood

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

constantcrying wrote: post #323
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #254

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The future is still a function of the past, even if we lack that function's complete specification.

>The future is still a function of the past If you don't believe in conscious choice the whole debate is moot anyway.

I wasn't trying to argue against free will or anything like that (I'm a compatibilist about that debate). I was just trying to point out that it's obvious that prior conditions are relevant. Prior decisions also. But free or not, there's nowhere to come from but the past.

It's a weird thing to be pointing out, like... duh, but the context was a bunch of:

> You have to balk when anyone says....

and

> You have to disbelieve anyone who says...

And I was hoping to establish that we in this thread do in fact agree that causation works in one direction only. It would seem I failed.

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Post by James_K »

liveoneggs wrote: post #768
James_K wrote: post #757

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> So perhaps you need not only look at the children and instead try to improve the lives of the parents as well. Clearly. It was other people who started suggesting that the children of poor parents should be forcibly put up for adoption. I can't fathom why anyone would think this is a good idea or even worth talking about.

I think it's when you said "the victims of bad parents are no different than the victims of any other crime"

There are many different crimes with different severities, and hence different responses.

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Post by IIsi50MHz »

somenameforme wrote: post #774
prmoustache wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are just being pedant while answering to a non native english speaker.

No, the words just have extremely different meanings. A child opens a Christmas present and starts rejoicing - nobody would claim 'Ah, look at him - he's so content!' One could even take this a step further to add that children, in general, cannot be content. Contentedness is not happiness. And happiness is most certainly not contentedness. They're are just entirely different states of being.

First, it's important to understand that words mean what people tend to use them to mean.

Second, "happy" and "happiness" subsume numerous meanings. You're picking one, and as I and others have, at times, done with many other words, trying to restrict the world to only that meaning.

Perhaps a more similar word to your meaning would be "joy"? It seems more generally restricted to descriptions of brief periods, in common usage.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by Red_Leaves_Flyy »

llm_trw wrote: post #633
Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #606

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When do the greater communities need to pay their dues? Schools cost money to run but taxpayers balk and cry over every cent increase. There are crumbling schools with toxic air and water that lack adequate HVAC paying their teachers unlivable salaries. This is the result of neglect to preserve and invest which is a condemnation of those who allowed such neglect on their watch when they should have championed such pl…

Schools in the US cost more than schools in any other developed nation. Every institution in the US has been taken over by careerists and credentialists who produce nothing of value and are a drain on the system. For a simple example in our area look at twitter: we were told the servers would catch fire, the end times will be upon us and cats will live with dogs. Instead the servers kept chugging along just as well a…

These are bold claims that smell like dog whistles but I’m unfamiliar with any specifics. Got sources or what?

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by rocketnasa »

ErigmolCt wrote: post #771
cameldrv wrote: post #364

The punchline is this: "It's 2021. The research participants are in their late-30s now, which means they've had plenty of time to shape their own destinies. But we can clearly see that the experiences of their childhood had a huge effect on their financial situation as adults. It also has an effect on virtually everything else in their lives." You cannot infer the direction of causality from this data, i.e. that the…

I am pretty sure that the fact of witnessing someone being shot has an impact on your life. Maybe not connected with the data that was implemented here but still

I think how people relate to media and attitudes about out-groups can have an even deeper impact on a life. We all can witness people being shot in non-fiction on police bodycam footage, surveillance camera footage, published on video websites, etc.

Most people compartmentalize seeing shooting of a house and killing a child sleeping in their bed in Ukraine in 2024 different from a drive-by shooting on their own street or road rage on a highway killing a child sleeping in bed or car. But we can witness it easily now and most people are taught to detach non-fiction video of "others" and treat it like it is fiction.

It becomes a wealth and power status symbol to move to the "good part of town" and a "safe neighborhood" and create a compartmentalized mindset that what goes on in other areas is "not witnessed" the same. A detachment of compassion for those in the out-groups and a denial that indeed it is reality, it is non-fiction.

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