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Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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I believe you've mixed up the versions. That's only true for Supercharger V4, not V3. V3 did not support high voltages. V1 and V2 did not speak the CCS protocol so they were even more obsolete.

In Europe the V3 superchargers are 1000VDC, it's a big label of them that says so. Could it be that they're different in other regions?

It's very likely Europe version numbers are 1 below US in that case as yeah in the US it's the V4 for 1000v.

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Im bullish on EVs but I feel like rental cars are one of the worst places for the current generation of EVs. EVs are best for the types of driving we do on a day-to-day basis. Short commutes in areas we know well. Charge at home over night and 95% of the year you never worry about charging. Renting a car means I'm usually either driving long distances or im somewhere new and I don't know about the local charging infr…

I rented a polestar from hertz uk for a summer holiday, it was wonderful. i just let it charge overnight on the mains socket of the cottage, which gave me 200 miles a day, more than enough for a family holiday

Looks like UK has 230V on the standard outlets, probably why it charges reasonably. Note this person taking days when on 120V:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38967392

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Yup. I own a Tesla and it's been a great car. I charge it at home, and I know how the supercharging network works. I've been OFFERED electric rentals in: * Tromsø Norway (on a roadtrip through the Lofoten) * Nelson NZ * Brisbane AU The reality is, when I rent a car on vacation, I'm typically doing more miles per day than when I'm at home. That's because I'm not sitting at work 9 hours a day! Plus, I don't know their…

No doubt? :-) Norway has 503 Superchargers, 1 per 11,000 people. California has 307, 1 per 130,000. I haven't checked NZ or Oz, or looked at a map for Norway. There are also 10 times that many non-Tesla chargers, of which some will be the highest power. All three countries have 230V domestic electricity, so in the worst case you can charge at about 2.5kW (more, e.g. 3kW, if you're more confident of the wiring).

Thanks for the correction. BTW when I mention housing, I meant hotels :) Of course chargers at hotels are common, but, again, one more thing to worry about (especially if it's pay-per-use and requires some app/membership situation).

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The battery market is not yet mature enough for this. When the big car manufacturers have all had another decade's experience selling EVs, and battery tech has stabilized, the logic of standardization and swapping will become apparent.

Swapping batteries makes sense for scooters because they are not heavy, and it is done already in asia. Swapping a battery that weighs a ton and is part of the car structure is another story completely. I think the more sensible solution is to have fast charging and a reliable network. 800 volt batteries and a good architecture enable incredible fast charging, and in the fjture it might be even faster. Combine that w…

Battswap is being trialled by trucking companies, with much larger and heavier batteries than in cars. The engineering problems are fiddly and time-consuming to get right but not intrinsically difficult.

With battswap also being done at the lightweight end, eventually there will be convergence in the middle. But I think we have another decade or fifteen years to wait before standardization efforts have a chance and battswap can be vehicle manufacturer agnostic.

Battswap is an obvious way to lower the sticker price of vehicles, which is key to selling the next half billion of them.

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This is due to high body damage repair costs and has nothing to do with repairing an electric powertrain: >Let me share a bit more context on the damage equation. First, while conventional maintenance on electric vehicles remained lower relative to comparable ICE vehicles in Q3, higher collision and damage repairs on EVs continue to weigh on our results and negatively impacted EBITDA. For context, collision and damag…

where a car is salvaged, we must crystallize at once any difference between our carrying value and the market value of that car Hang on though, this part has nothing to do with repair costs. This just sounds like an accounting issue, right? If anything I would expect this to benefit Hertz since they could write off the higher loss in their taxes immediately, instead of waiting until future years to write the value of…

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That is one of the least efficient solutions possible - making hydrogen gas from water is at best 50% efficiency, and then you get to burn that hydrogen in a thermal engine with 30% efficiency.

Fuel cells have much better efficiency no?

They're a maximum 85% efficiency, with a range of 40-60%, and then you're supplying electricity to a 90% efficiency electric motor. So, overall, you have 90% of 85% of 50% of the generated electricity going into moving your car, so at best around 38.5%.

In contrast, an electric car uses electricity to charge a 99% efficient battery, and discharge to the 90% engine. So, 89% efficiency - much, much better.

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> If you're renting an EV, make a checklist. Just Tesla though. I have driven other EVs (Kia, Chevy, Toyota) and haven't had any of these problems.

Kinda. It would have reduced friction due to my unfamiliarity with the controls, but missing connection equipment can affect all brands. Charging apps would be another that would affect non-Tesla more. I'd only ever driven an ICE. Connectors and apps weren't a thing I was prepared for.

True. I was only talking about the non charging aspects, bc I drive an EV at home and the charging bits are known to me already. If you're not used to using EVs, best not to rent EV except if you know you won't need to charge.

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Vast majority of Americans have a garage. You can charge on a normal outlet but it's easy enough to bring an electrician in to upgrade to 240v.

4 in 10 americans can’t come up with $400 without taking on debt. They aren’t bringing in electricians unless they are rich.

I don't have much want or need of an EV, but I was able to bring 240V power into my detached garage and install a 100A subpanel myself. It was all legal, I got a permit to do it from L&I and had it inspected and signed off on. Most states and local jurisdictions allow homeowners to do electrical work on their residences, assuming they go through the same permitting and inspection process as the pros.

I encourage anybody with the time and diligence to do their own residential electrical work. It can save you a lot of money, and add a lot of value to your home.

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If you have a Tesla the charging story is wonderful. The car finds chargers on it's own. It shows you exactly what's available at each charger. Hardly anything is ever broken. EVs are far easier and more convenient than gas cars. It's the non Tesla infrastructure that just sucks.

If you really wanted you could order diesel delivered to your home. And then fill your car in your own home. Nothing stops people from installing their own tanks. It is just that it is not needed as filling occasionally is minimal inconvenience. Much less than having to stick cable in your car each time you park it.

I am pretty sure zoning and environmental laws prevent that. A gas can maybe max 3 gallons

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Charging infrastructure in Berlin is fine - I had an EV for over a year and charged on the street no problem. The two major caveats are that you really need a card specifically for paying the charging networks (not a credit card which is a major hassle) and road trips are more difficult than they would be with an ICE car.

I suppose that depends on your perspective. The nearest charging point to my flat is ~10 minutes on foot, which I wouldn't consider convenient in any way.

It's true for me also but I didn't think of it as much of a burden. The car would last for about 2+ weeks between charges with the way I drove it and there was also the option of trying to charge near work which I would drive to sometimes.
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