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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by thethethethe »

zenkat wrote: post #608
jb3689 wrote: post #440

It’s pretty incredible to me that the whole community on the last thread was fixated on the fact that it must’ve been the homeless/drug addicts. What kind of place is it where you immediately dismiss premeditated murder, or even throw it up as 50-50?

I think that says more about Hacker News than SF. There's a level of hate for the city here that I don't understand. Feels a bit like a vendetta sometimes.

There is def a vendetta but you see the same things in r/sanfrancisco and other places as well so it's not limited to HN

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Post by emmelaich »

bombcar wrote: post #277
anonkogudhyfhhf wrote: post #210

I know in the last thread everyone said he was a hero. But I looked at his bio and his last job was a token selling scam. Maybe he made some enemies

I've always thought Marc Antony's speech was bullshit - "The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interrèd with their bones." It's way more common to ignore/forget/never mention again anything bad someone who died did. Also the crypto world seems to be getting a bit stabby in various ways, as things come crashing down there may be repercussions. Unlikely in this case, probably. Much more likely to be do…

Deliberate bullshit, knowing the context of that speech and how he follows it.

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Post by zenkat »

yadaeno wrote: post #644
zenkat wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that says more about Hacker News than SF. There's a level of hate for the city here that I don't understand. Feels a bit like a vendetta sometimes.

It completely depends on where you live in SF. The people in the wealthy hyper gentrified areas are baffled that people would think the city is unsafe. Meanwhile people with less income are exposed daily to an epidemic of drug addiction, homeless, theft, mental illness, all problems with straightforward solutions that the residents are screaming for. Its not one or the other, its both. Just because you live in a safe…

So the Outer Richmond is a "wealthy hyper-gentrifed neighborhood" now? Or the Mission? The Sunset? SOMA? Dogpatch?

Sure, I mean if you're able to afford to live in those neighborhoods, then you're doing OK. But it's a bit rich to call them "hyper-gentrifed".

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Post by rideontime »

Pils wrote: post #740
j4pe wrote: post #20

Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.

The current CEO of YCombinator regarding an article in Mission Local a few days ago: Mission Local seems to serve their local bureaucratic masters over the basic public safety needs of the people. [0] This is gaslighting. You should be ashamed. [1] In this case they are “independent” of a sort [2] In all fairness, he did retweet this article a couple hours ago. [0] https://twitter.com/garrytan/status/1644520924828540…

In all fairness, I’ll be impressed when he posts a retraction and apology.

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Post by ikiris »

palijer wrote: post #749
Convolutional wrote: post #681

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After the murder, I had to read scores of comments like this ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35456168 ) about the homeless, need for more law enforcement (although the US already incarcerates more of its population than any industrialized country) etc. I had to read scores of tech bros in the professional-managerial class whinge about the poor, about black lives matter and how this was due to "progressivism".…

>After the murder, I had to read scores of comments like this[...] >I had to read scores of tech bros [...] Did you though? I can't recommend enough cutting out reading people's comments that you don't want to read. If other people's comments stress you out and make you angry, there are typically actions you can take to expose yourself less to them.

Yeah, ignoring the problem does a lot to make it go away for you.

It doesn't help to make it stop being a problem though. This is basically the definition of privilege.

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Post by confidantlake »

AbsoluteCabbage wrote: post #687

Capital punishment is the only sane solution. When you put a violent criminal to death, the crime rate is permanently and instantly lowered. If you lock them in a cage for 20 years we all pay the bills and they end up coming out and murdering again on the first day out. Total insanity.

Yeah which is why Iran and North Korea are beacons of safety and Iceland is a hellhole. /s

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Post by Loughla »

emodendroket wrote: post #752
bombcar wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any small local news organizations will almost ALWAYS get the scoop on the big ones, for local news. Because the vast majority of "big" news things are a division of some conglomerate and just regurgitate Reuters.

Most local newspapers these day are glorified advertising circulars with maybe one or two reporters they actually employ.

The local papers I am familiar with in my region are literally (not figuratively) just re-print houses for prior-approved PR stories from local schools, businesses, and government offices.

It's really quite sad.

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Post by phone8675309 »

rideontime wrote: post #774
Pils wrote: post #740

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current CEO of YCombinator regarding an article in Mission Local a few days ago: Mission Local seems to serve their local bureaucratic masters over the basic public safety needs of the people. [0] This is gaslighting. You should be ashamed. [1] In this case they are “independent” of a sort [2] In all fairness, he did retweet this article a couple hours ago. [0] https://twitter.com/garrytan/status/1644520924828540…

In all fairness, I’ll be impressed when he posts a retraction and apology.

Don't hold your breath.

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Post by areoform »

mztwo wrote: post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

In the future, it may be helpful to remember that murder and violence — especially sexual violence — are oddly intimate things,

    In 2011, in incidents of murder for which the relationships of murder victims and offenders were known, 54.3 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbor, friend, boyfriend, etc.); 24.8 percent of victims were slain by family members.  The relationship of murder victims and offenders was unknown in 44.1 percent of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter incidents in 2011.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

In short, people were killed by strangers 11.7% of the time. For 88.3% of murders (where the relationship between the killer and the victim was known), it was someone the victim knew.

The statistics are similar for sexual violence.

For juveniles and children who experience sexual violence, it is a family member of acquaintance 93% of the time. This percentage drops for adults to ~80%, i.e. in 80% of cases the victim will know the perpetrator.

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/perpetrators-sexual-violenc...

These crimes are very different from a mugging or robbery. It is easy to imagine why if you replay the situation in your mind — looking someone in the eyes as you stab them, up close takes a lot emotionally. It is a very intense situation. Almost everyone — if driven to it — will steal out of desperation and hunger, but very few can look people in the eye, walk up to them and stick a knife in them. There is a strong psychological aversion to hurting other human beings built into most of us and it's what keeps society mostly safe.

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Post by mustacheemperor »

gnicholas wrote: post #482
JieJie wrote: post #268

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This is great writing, "the abrupt closure of the mid-market Whole Foods, leaving San Franciscans just eight other Whole Foods within city limits". What a scoop, brilliantly delivered.

Sure, it's a cute jab, but 8 WFs in an entire city is not that many. Even if you have a car, there are large swaths of the city (Richmond, Sunset), where a WF is a bit of a slog during regular traffic (and worse during rush hour). And of course, many city dwellers don't have cars, so having to lug groceries up SF's famously hilly streets is not great for more than a fraction of a mile or so.

This seems like a good opportunity to plug SF's great independent grocers. Please do not sleep on The Good Life Grocery, Rainbow, or the several Gus' Community Market locations around town, not to mention all the other small grocers around the city.

Some more great places in my local riding area: Midtown Market in Dogpatch (pricey but really good produce), and Glen Canyon Market, which was recently acquired by Gus. A cute small grocery store with a butcher counter just opened near Portrero, and there's also Avedano's butcher on Cortland Ave (near a Good Life) and Olivier's in Dogpatch.

Swiping my hand over a mystery panel to pay for my groceries is very cool at WF, but there's no shortage of great places to restock the fridge and pantry all over SF, and where the money you spend is going more to local places and locals.

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