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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Why are you cherry picking immigrant groups? What are the statistics for Poles, Italians, Russian Germans? Heck, what are the statistics for Vietnamese Germans? The US has plenty of minority and immigrant groups for which convergence is... far from happening.

He is not cherry picking, he picked the largest immigrant group, twice as large as the next one

I could also pick the biggest minority group in the US, and trust me, Turks have a much better life in Germany.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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The prices are bad enough, but what really seals the deal is the forced obsolescence. I have an older macbook that I was trying to upgrade to the newer OS and they make it basically impossible. I struggled for a few days on it, then I just installed ubuntu and it works perfectly. Apple's value proposition seems to be "pay an arm and a leg for something we will break anytime we think you should give us more money."

I have a 2013 MacBook Air that got the latest updates up until recently. Over 7 years of updates. That’s really incredible in my view.

Right, and they also do security releases for some older macOS and iOS releases, so even if your machine doesn't support the lates version, you can still have a secure machine. E.g., a few days ago they also put out security fixes for macOS 11 and 12, in January for iOS 12 (supporting iPhones 5s from 2013).

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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I bought a MacBook Pro M1 about one and a half years ago, and a week ago I bought a Linux Ryzen laptop, after giving up hope of doing my x86 Linux development on the MacBook. I’ve followed every guide I could find on emulating x86 Linux on my MacBook M1 without success. Also, I bought the MacBook with 32GB RAM, and later found out I needed 64GB, and I wasn’t willing to pay the extra price of selling my old MacBook to…

64 GB is a lot. I wouldn't buy a machine with less than that (Macs tend to last a long time), but, still, wanting to max it out just in case and actually needing it is rare.

What are you doing with your computer?

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

>FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My own personal anecdote is that I spilled a trivial amount of booze on my MacBook 9 years ago and was left with the option of whether I wanted to replace the entire lower case. While it was my fault for drinking and computing, I just see it as being an expensive device to maintain when you accidentally damage it. I'd rather play a lower stakes game with a cheaper pr…

I've killed several Apple laptops by spilling a single drink on the keyboard.

I've spilled more drinks onto a single Thinkpad than I've killed Apples with. Thinkpads (used to?) have a pan under the keys with a drainage hole that goes out below the laptop. No damage whatsoever from several spills.

Apple has a lot of fanboys that are not entirely rational about their fanboyism.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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> I am surprised I am getting downvoted Probably for this statement: > FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. and subsequently for this flamey statement: > You would think more folks on HN would be happy about long lasting products but the anti-apple bias is strong enough to override the concern of having a more sustainable product. FWIW, it seems like you got incredibly lucky. In recent years, I've been t…

Seems far more likely that you've been incredibly unlucky. I've had many Macs and have never had battery expansion or logic board failures. I know many people that still use their 2013-era machines and they're still chugging along.

Parent: big org with many machines

You: sample size = 1

Maybe parents opinion is coloured negatively by hearing about failing machines of colleagues. They even said that Windows machines were worse.

Maybe you have been lucky.

Zero snark intended.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Rasbpis are expensive because people started using them for products (why make a board to flash these lights when I can put a cheap Pi in there with a program to do it?) and during the chip shortage they started prioritizing businesses -- which is against their self-described mission, but whatever. They still haven't caught up production enough to stifle the price increases.

Yeah they really caused some bad blood with this business prioritisation.. Not just with us in the community but also with Broadcom who now view them as competitors as opposed to a friendly outreach project. They should have stuck with their core IMO.

I'm not very deep in the raspberry PI world, mostly because it's been hard getting a hold of one. Are there alternatives that the community has gravitated towards?

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

I used to justify Apple’s very high prices with “the hardware and software are premium”. For me, the hardware is still without a doubt premium. Great build quality, fantastic processors etc. iOS is still pretty good as well. But MacOS…damn what a mess. I’m starting to think I’m better of using a framework laptop with a user friendly Linux GUI running on it.

Maybe hold out for Asahi Linux? Patience is a skill that can pay big dividends.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

> FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time.

I agree with you, but that doesn’t change the fact outside the US, many Apple products are 15+% more expensive than they were a few years ago. In the UK we’re in the middle of a cost of living crisis—my bills have shot up and I simply don’t have the extra disposable income.

I mean shit, I’m a decently paid developer (for the north of the UK, so not London) and until my most recent rise a base 16” MacBook Pro cost almost an entire month’s take-home salary.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

i'm writing this on an 11 year old thinkpad i got used 8 years ago for like $300. There's actually plenty of high quality hardware out there, it just takes a bit of unbiasing in your assessments.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

> I am going to have to force her to consider the air bc the old 13 is a security risk without OS updates.

Have a look at Open Core Legacy Patcher (https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/), it’s great! My wife is using my old 2011 17” MBP as a desktop laptop, it works flawlessly on Ventura 13.3 :)

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