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Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by preseinger »

Dig1t wrote: post #16

I'm a moderate, not a Democrat and not a Republican. I think people on the left have a blind spot here, that the more suppression they use, the more division they create, and the more moderates and people on the right grow to resent them. I would have identified as a Democrat on pretty much every issue, but this authoritarian suppression of speech and ideas has just pushed me away from that side completely. At this p…

    I'm a moderate
    
    Democrat ... authoritarian suppression of speech and ideas
    
    both sides suck
This is a great expression of what is commonly described as a South Park republican. That is, someone who believes they live in a political space between republicans and democrats which does not actually exist. The fundamental emotion is cynicism, which manifests as active hostility towards any notion of empathy for any other dimension of society, and ultimately distills down to status-quo-ism.

Of course cynicism is non-falsifiable, and there is no coherent notion of a moderate or independent in American politics, because there exists no coherent political position between democratic and republican policy. Anyone claiming to exist in this middle space is in practice a republican, just without the conviction that's typical to that party's base.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by ruszki »

BurningFrog wrote: post #266
afavour wrote: post #233

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> the more division they create, and the more moderates and people on the [opposite side] grow to resent them This feels like a universal to me that applies to both parties. And I’m sorry, “authoritarian suppression of speech and ideas” is pure propaganda. No mainstream left leaning politician is actually perusing such an idea, it’s a boogeyman created by the right and by the looks of things it’s working great.

It's very common on the left to demand suppression of "hate speech". Of course, that commonly ends up mostly meaning "speech I hate".

There are several countries in Western Europe where there are such laws, and it never means that.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by [deleted] »

andrewguenther wrote: post #476
barbazoo wrote: post #177

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Not sure who the person is that posted this, is this legit? The format on most of those "emails" is just completely off and the grammar/spelling check underlining suggests that this is being viewed in an editor.

It's real. Or at least Elon says it is. He's been talking about this for days and retweeted the thread.

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Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by krtpollf »

Terretta wrote: post #223
Dig1t wrote: post #16

I'm a moderate, not a Democrat and not a Republican. I think people on the left have a blind spot here, that the more suppression they use, the more division they create, and the more moderates and people on the right grow to resent them. I would have identified as a Democrat on pretty much every issue, but this authoritarian suppression of speech and ideas has just pushed me away from that side completely. At this p…

> but this authoritarian suppression of speech and ideas has just pushed me away from that side completely So as a moderate you prefer DeSantis approach to Disney, his forbidding of speech in schools, etc.? He's not passing literal anti press and anti speech laws to piss off the MAGA base. It's remarkable to me he so badly wanted props for punishing Disney for exercising free speech he forgot he's supposed to be pro…

Speech by teachers in school isn't free. It is delivered to a captive and inexperienced audience (children).

That's why school should focus on teaching skills and not interpersonal issues. Overloading children with 50 genders is just nonsense and confuses them.

The same applies to Disney movies for minors.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by doitLP »

MacsHeadroom wrote: post #443
romellem wrote: post #296

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Did you read your own source? The Biden team never asked Twitter staff to “handle” anything. They forwarded tweets that [violated twitter’s ToS][1], a Twitter staff member forwarded them for review, and at that point the reviewer said they “handled these.” That’s what content moderation is supposed to do! [1]: https://twitter.com/parkebench/status/1598841731763810304

"Will no one rid me of these meddlesome Tweets?"

Spot on and great reference.

Here’s the history on the above quote for those that missed the allusion: https://englishhistory.net/middle-ages/will-no-one-rid-me-of...

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by causi »

paganel wrote: post #712
cm2187 wrote: post #665

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These policies were always a pretext. The two major social networks blocking the same story at the same time citing different policies that are obviously inconsistently applied (did Twitter block the story about Trump's leaked tax returns? Did facebook block Biden when he claimed that covid would be gone once everyone was vaccinated?). These emails show twitter executives puzzled by the application of those policies.…

> I agree, nothing we didn't know Some of us did know, that's true, but we were labeled as conspiracy theorists and the like. And when the truth came out in the open those calling us conspiracy theorists of course that embraced the "that has always been a known fact! What are you on about?". Rinse and repeat.

See I don't even know what the truth of the matter is because all the moderate voices on the subject were silenced so the only ones who persevered in their effort to be heard were the fringe lunatics.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by preseinger »

boppo1 wrote: post #538
mdasen wrote: post #446

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I find these kinds of comments hard to respond to. I want to respond in a way that's constructive, but it's hard. It's hard because many Republicans are pushing the US in a direction that will harm millions of Americans in very significant ways. Tucker Carlson and Libs of TikTok all but encourage violence against LGBT people. Republicans are trying to prevent Black people from voting. Many Republicans tried to overtu…

> constructive ways the Democrats could be better Reorient the gun control efforts around the statistical realities of how guns are actually killing the most people. Throwing away all their political capital on banning semiautomatic rifles, in a ‘maximum success’ outcome, would prevent something like 2% of all firearm related deaths. I did some napkin math a couple months ago and children are more likely to die of le…

Every human being in the world understands that guns are a clear threat to civil society, except for this bizarre hyperminority of americans who seem to stuck in some anachronistic fantasy universe. Move on.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by nonethewiser »

Terretta wrote: post #223
Dig1t wrote: post #16

I'm a moderate, not a Democrat and not a Republican. I think people on the left have a blind spot here, that the more suppression they use, the more division they create, and the more moderates and people on the right grow to resent them. I would have identified as a Democrat on pretty much every issue, but this authoritarian suppression of speech and ideas has just pushed me away from that side completely. At this p…

> but this authoritarian suppression of speech and ideas has just pushed me away from that side completely So as a moderate you prefer DeSantis approach to Disney, his forbidding of speech in schools, etc.? He's not passing literal anti press and anti speech laws to piss off the MAGA base. It's remarkable to me he so badly wanted props for punishing Disney for exercising free speech he forgot he's supposed to be pro…

This rebuttal is irrelevant. Desantis has nothing to do with Twitter here.

You're just arguing that he doesn't really believe what he says. Why communicate in words at that point?

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