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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by tylersmith »

Clubber wrote: post #735
tylersmith wrote: post #712

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The differences and potential compromises between various democracies and republics were discussed and debated quite at length when the original US governments were iterating toward the Constitution. It's certainly not just a 20 year old GOP talking point.

The founders were well aware that what they were creating was a republic AND form of democracy. To argue otherwise is silly.

They were aware that the House of Representatives was modeled to be sole aggregated voice of the people. The House is the totality of US democracic input.

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Post by okasaki »

Xeoncross wrote: post #763
okasaki wrote: post #758

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Another really odd reply, after looking at your comment history I can see you're very pro-china and seem to be a troll in this one area based on others exchanges people have had with you.

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by archagon »

What disturbs me is that it seems to be taken as a given that a piece of software running on our computers can even be “banned” in the first place. This statement would have no fangs if we could run any software we liked on our devices. But we’ve gone so far down the walled garden path that the implication seems to be “removed from app stores” => “no longer running on US customers’ devices.” Regardless of what you think about TikTok in particular, or about the benefits of walled garden platforms, this is a chilling omen of things to come.

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Post by least »

trasz wrote: post #705
least wrote: post #639

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Name a more ethnically/racially diverse country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_et... Literally half of all the worlds countries is more diverse.

The methodology used in this list is deeply flawed. It depends on US Census Bureau data which does not make distinctions between subgroups of ethnicities, despite them being culturally and racially distinct from each other. Indians (which could be broken down into further subgroups), Afghani (which could be further broken down into Pashtuns, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazaras, etc.), Japanese and Laotians are not the same people but they'd all be classified as Asian. This does not paint an accurate picture of the incredible diversity that exists in the United States. In contrast, Uganda, which was ranked the highest on this list, has much more granular data available.

I'd urge you to pause your ignorant, inflammatory, and xenophobic takes for a moment to reflect on whether or not they're even true.

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Post by staticassertion »

moralestapia wrote: post #609
judge2020 wrote: post #442

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'National security risk' is all the FCC is arguing; they're not arguing that these data collection practices are bad in themselves, only that they're bad if it happens in a way that strengthens a foreign government.

If the data exists 99% of the work is already done though. It is extremely easy for a government to infiltrate into these organizations and get their hands on it, it has happened at Twitter [1], for instance. So, yes, the problem IS data collection in the first place. 1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/former-twit...

It doesn't have to be extremely easy, and it isn't extremely easy at every company. Twitter's security was bad, worse than it should have been for their size/ data footprint.

I do agree that data collection is at the core of the problem, but Twitter really should have done a better job.

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Post by staticassertion »

mywittyname wrote: post #669
judge2020 wrote: post #442

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'National security risk' is all the FCC is arguing; they're not arguing that these data collection practices are bad in themselves, only that they're bad if it happens in a way that strengthens a foreign government.

The "nationality" of a company is basically irrelevant here. Foreign governments could obtain this data from an "American" company in numerous different ways.m The most obvious vector would be a subpoena, but they could also negotiate payment for the data or infiltrate the company. There's a shitload of data for sale from brokers. So foreign governments might not even need much from a company like FB. Perhaps just en…

It's not irrelevant to the FCC, a United States federal organization. I don't think any brokers are selling "execute code on 10s of millions of US citizens' phones" to foreign entities, and if they were I suspect the FCC would have something to say about it.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by zackmorris »

This will quickly fall below the fold, but: TikTok saved my life.

It woke me up to a profoundly different worldview than the one we've been raised with in the west. That's what this is really about, not privacy. Or more precisely, yes security is a concern, but I can't believe that's the only reason, because we've all been lied to so many times that all I hear now is the establishment crying wolf.

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Post by [deleted] »

tylersmith wrote: post #769
the_only_law wrote: post #725

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Because it's a lazy boring way to try to detail a thread. You're arguing something that the other people aren't even saying . Anyone with a half working brain who's gone outside in the last 20 years understands colloquial use of words.

They're saying they want to live in a more democratic place. We're saying the US isn't and won't be that place. It's an actual, incompatible disagreement on how much individual people should affect the government not just a debate about wording. Colloquial misuse of the word only sets people up for disappointment when they find out that a government they call a democracy isn't one.

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Post by flerovium »

Imagine >50% of US teenagers were highly engaged with the CCP's education program, an explicit surveillance and propaganda tool.

Now instead imagine that TT decreased the ranking of content by 10% that went against the agenda of the CCP. Users, the government, and creators never know.

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Post by thetinguy »

tremon wrote: post #767
ncr100 wrote: post #668

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China is not the US. China's kompromat and industrial espionage policies differ from those of the US. It is off base to compare while ignoring intentions and impact, because they're Very different countries.

It's only off-base for citizens of the US. For other countries, there is no material difference between what either is doing. Except that one of them has a track record of extralegal assassinations, of course.

What? One is a democracy and one is a dictatorship.
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