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Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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I wonder if this is an example of not knowing your audience (or rather assuming one's self represents a wider audience than it does). The people vouching for this at Google are likely product marketing managers, public relations folks, social media managers, etc. All they do is write corporate garbage all day, and much like we have "nit"s in PR's for formatting, variable names, etc; they likely have similar reviews t…

This kind of feature would be very handy for an email client. I don't think many emails are being sent out these days that aren't corporate garbage.

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Putting myself in the shoes of a kid learning about computers, I find some of these phrases to be more clear, not less clear. Two examples: Allowlist and denylist are much clearer to a kid learning about computers than whitelist or blacklist. If you've never heard of whitelist before, it's sounds like a list of things that are white. If you've never of allowlist, it's pretty obvious what it means - a list of things t…

> Mainboard implies there's one main board. Motherboard could be more ambiguous to someone who's never seen the inside of a computer. Are there two boards, mother and father? Am I crazy or does mainboard strongly imply there's more than one -- eg main, supporting / secondary, etc? Stories have a main character which is almost by definition not the only character in the narrative.

There are still other boards you attach to the motherboard. A GPU is a board, a memory module is soldered onto a controller board, etc

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Its worse because suddenly 20 years worth of tutorials are slightly 'wrong' and will confuse new users even more for no reason. "Why does my git say main and not master? Did I break it?" "Why cant I push to master like the 100x tutorials show? I get errors!"

This is when Ministry of Truth comes into play. The main character's job in 1984 was literally this: rewriting history when it came into conflict with the updated "truth". Orwell didn't foresee that in a world of computers, such updates are trivially made: no need to reprint newspapers and books, since all of them are virtual.

Master character.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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I dislike this proposed feature as much as the next person, but it's worth noting that the main complaint of this article is fairly unique: they work on a channel called Motherboard, and this feature is going to cause the name of their channel to be considered a problem. Most people won't experience that specific error case. It's valid, and points to the kinds of unforeseen consequences you run into when trying to ma…

I think this article hints at an important thing though which is that language is contextual. Even if we think that we should describe mothers as birthing persons or fathers as non-birthing parents in the general context, I should be allowed to refer to myself as a father. People of color can re-claim slurs, which a correction to could probably feel paternalistic. There are lots of contexts where certain language is…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatics

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I know we all see this as a slippery slope, but let's remember what's at the other end of the slope. Anyhow, you might find it awkward, but the general assumption that "parent" is synonymous with "mother" to the exclusion of all other kinds of parents does real damage to inclusiveness, and the term "motherboard" flows from that. I know your tongue is in cheek, but the mainboard may be considered a parent of the compo…

You can refactor a piece of software you wrote, or a piece of your employer's software with his permission. But language doesn't belong to anyone, it's a collective consensus on how to say things. If you believe you have authority to ignore this consensus and force your opinion on others, you must have an incredibly inflated ego.

What I like about this comment is that it can be read as being either in favour or against what Google is doing here.

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Haha jesus no wonder they added the "AI-powered" hints because who the fuck can be expected to keep track of all this nonsense? > hang, hung > Don't use to refer to a computer or system that is not responding [..] see Avoid unnecessarily violent language.

Oh, that's due to violence? I thought because it evokes phallic associations, as when someone is well hung.

I’m sorry Dave. I’m afraid I cant let you type “hanging dong”

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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The older I get, the more I fail to understand how the vocal minority is able to completely control the narrative on everything. While we’re at it, let’s just gut the English language of anything remotely related to gender, race, or color. Then we can go after Latin-based languages that use gender at the core of their grammar.

Irrelevant nitpick: "gender" in linguistics means "category". Objects in grammatically gendered languages are rarely/never categorized as "manly" or "effeminate"; they're, for example, categorized as "animate" or "inanimate". [1] [1] https://blog.duolingo.com/what-is-grammatical-gender/

Reciprocal nitpick: That explanation of category is pretty weak and cannot be applied universally anyway. In many cases, gender assignment is completely arbitrary, and the article pretty much admits that. For example, in Croatian, table (stol) is masculine, while chair (stolica) is feminine, which is completely arbitrary, and both are inanimate. There is no rule in Croatian (or other Slavic languages that I am aware of) that categorizes gendered nouns for any reason.

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It’s not “landlord”. It’s “person who lords land”.

Satirists already made that joke with the term "Person of Land". Its initialism is "POL" so it even plays into the "POC" angle. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=People%20of%...

/r/loveforlandlords plays this up a lot.

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You can’t overlook the role that white progressives play in selectively amplifying minority voices. I can’t get on CNN to give the “Bangladeshi guy take” on rising crime by saying stuff most Bangladeshi people agree with. I have to provide a Bangladeshi perspective that is appealing to the white progressives that make the decisions at CNN. There’s a deep synergy here that exploits the fact that most Americans have li…

Desi here, like Tulsi more than Kamala. I'd say Kamala is more disliked than the average white person too, because she panders so incompetently. I have not heard great things about Pramila Jayapal either.

What tickled me is that the same white people who played up Harris’s south Asian background—the only ones to do so—in the 2020 primary attacked Gabbard specifically for views she shared with lots of other Indians: being a bit socially conservative, opposing US intervention in Syria, and having a soft attitude toward Russia. It was almost as if they knew nothing about desis.

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This actually…doesn’t not make sense

> "This actually…doesn’t not make sense" I don't understand what you are referring to when you say "this"; what is "this"? Are you referring to a specific statement by the parent poster, or something described in the OP? I also don't understand whether the double-negative is intentional (and meant to cancel itself out, and become a positive), or if it is a colloquialism.

  This = 'the comment being replied to'.


  This actually !(not make sense).

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  This actually does make sense.
The reason they wrote it the way they did was to convey that (not making sense) was what they expected from GP, but that instead it did make sense.
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