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Post by concinds »

dreamer7 wrote: post #141

I don't really like the chassis design. It looks dated. But the rest of the Macbook Pro sounds really exciting! For those who missed the keynote, here are some laugh-inducing moments - "Our Pro users love to use physical function keys. So we have added them" "Our Pro users like to connect a lot of devices without using a lot of dongles"

It looks like a PowerBook to me, and yeah, it looks a little dated, and the curves look strange. But Apple being willing to release a laptop that "looks strange" is to me a signal that they want to value function over form on Pro laptops, and that they care more about cooling and power than they do about thinness and "elegance". It's a great step in the right direction. They can make the MacBook Air as pretty and "elegant" as they want but anyone with a boiling-hot 16" MBP will sure tell you how elegant it is to have a laptop burn their lap and throttle all the time.

It was time Apple valued pro users more than they valued their laptops looking good in hero pictures.

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Post by Whitespace »

My iPhone 13 has an amazing front facing 1080p camera, FaceID scanner thing, speaker, and other stuff crammed into a small notch, but the notch on this is even larger and only has a camera? What gives? Why is the notch so wide?

(I'm still getting one to replace my 2012 MacBook Pro)

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Post by jmull »

smoldesu wrote: post #603
ChuckMcM wrote: post #479

Priced out the one I would buy and it is $4300. Seems the value isn't quite there. Hard to say though without playing with it for a while. So clearly I need to go back to work for some tech company that will buy one for me :-). It is more interesting to me to reflect on the comments from about 5 years ago that "ARM will never be in laptops, its a 'phone' processor." That statement was both true and ignored the realit…

I expect to be surrounded by pitchforks and torches for saying this, but I genuinely believe that Linux is the true winner of today's presentation. The last few months have been watershed times for both Apple and Microsoft. Starting with Apple, their developer relations are starting to crumble in a major way. Not only have developers stood up against their highway robbery, but other companies like Microsoft have one-…

This is a pretty bad take.

I don’t see anything particularly wrong with Apple’s developer relations. You certainly might hope they would give us more than they do, but you always hope for that. Bottom line is, Apple gives us what we really need — a market.

Today’s presentation was almost devoid of discussions of software… because it was about hardware. It’s not like WWDC doesn’t exist. You can hear about Apple’s software as much as you would care to.

“Apple doesn’t care about pros anymore” is a perpetual refrain, but it seems to go through phases of being more true and less true (there are many kinds of pros, so it’s never going to be all true or all false.) We’re in a middle state at the moment, IMO, mainly due to the uncertainly about what the higher end pro Apple silicon story will be. Still, these current laptops look awfully good for many “pros”.

Linux has a lot of nice points and some pretty good distos that are improving all the time, but that’s not near enough to displace Windows or MacOS.

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Post by toyg »

timmit wrote: post #577
ksec wrote: post #118

HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015. In case anyone wants to know the thickness difference. MacBook Pro 13" 2015 - 1.8 cm MacBook Pro 13" 2016 - 1.49 / 1.55 cm MacBook Pro 14" / 16" 2021 - 1.55 /…

Yeah, as a mac user, I could not believe it, I sold my pro (2015) Bought a pro (2019) with 4 usb-c, even I missed the megasafe. Now they changed back to 2015, feel cheated by Apple :(

Man, it's the usual game, they gotta sell 'em widgets: do a model with port A, everyone buys dongles and accessories, then a few years later change to port B, everyone gotta buy new dongles and accessories... Rinse and repeat.

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smoldesu wrote: post #603
ChuckMcM wrote: post #479

Priced out the one I would buy and it is $4300. Seems the value isn't quite there. Hard to say though without playing with it for a while. So clearly I need to go back to work for some tech company that will buy one for me :-). It is more interesting to me to reflect on the comments from about 5 years ago that "ARM will never be in laptops, its a 'phone' processor." That statement was both true and ignored the realit…

I expect to be surrounded by pitchforks and torches for saying this, but I genuinely believe that Linux is the true winner of today's presentation. The last few months have been watershed times for both Apple and Microsoft. Starting with Apple, their developer relations are starting to crumble in a major way. Not only have developers stood up against their highway robbery, but other companies like Microsoft have one-…

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Post by kolinko »

schleck8 wrote: post #345
d3nj4l wrote: post #35

These look positively insane . 120Hz HDR displays. Can be specced with up to 64 GB of RAM and a GPU that (apparently) matches a 3070. All the ports you could ever want and magsafe. I can't wait to get my hands on one. The notch doesn't bother me because it's literally more room on the screen. Laptops with the camera below the screen tend to have an uncomfortable angle that look sup your nose, and the design suggests…

>that (apparently) matches a 3070 I don't want to know the thermals on the laptop then. There is a reason for the 3070 being available with a minimum of 2 large fans and liquid cooling existing at all. How do you want to cool the same performance in a thin laptop? With passive airflow? For reference, this is what a laptop with the mobile (!) version of a 3070 looks like: https://gzhls.at/i/89/84/2618984-n1.jpg It's a…

They claim m1 has 4x less power use when running at full speed, so thermal output will also be 4x less

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Post by Sephr »

mizzack wrote: post #92

Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.

Bringing back a dedicated HDMI port is a downgrade. This port can only do 4K 60Hz HDR (implying HDMI 2.0), which is inferior to previously-supported standards in addition to taking up space as a single-purpose port.

The Intel MacBook Pro 16 supports DisplayPort 1.4 over USB-C, which can do 4K 98Hz HDR, and doesn't take up dedicated single-purpose ports.

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