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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by mtone »

bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #648
radicalbyte wrote: post #485

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This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

Forget the overheating — the fact that Macs will save all your work when shutting down, and will refuse to shut down if this is not possible (for instance if some app that doesn’t support autosave (MS office) has unsaved work, or if there are terminal jobs running). Can’t imagine how anyone tolerates their computer just obliterating their work.

Unsaved work should be a concern of the app, not the OS. The app should obey the commands of the OS, and handle auto-saving on its own to keep fulfilling its duties to the user.

Apps that let you risk losing work -- from not just shutdowns but crashes and power outages - are the ones I don't tolerate. It's one of the reason I use Sublime Text for taking notes for example.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #516
radicalbyte wrote: post #485

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This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

Be careful. My Macbook Pro cooked it's display twice. Some program made it not go to sleep when I closed the lid, I put it in my backpack, and it overheated the display so much that I had yellow-brownish spots (which followed gravity over time). No way to check if it's sleeping when the lid is closed, because reasons...

I’ve had this issue with my work Mac not sleeping: I’ve always hypothesized it’s something to do with the provisioning of the machine, because it’s the only Mac I’ve ever had this problem with.

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Post by toxik »

lelandfe wrote: post #502
toxik wrote: post #336

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Luckily I didn't say planned obsolescence, I said manufactured - because that's precisely what it is, Apple is well known for this type of behavior. Introduce candy, don't allow old hardware to run it, pretend like it's a hardware issue. Problem is, they do this for features that demonstrably don't require better hardware, such as the animations in the weather app for the iPhone. It's very obvious what it's about, ma…

I mean, again, 7 years is a long enough timeline that I can’t really feel any negative opinions here. And “force” is much less relevant if we’re discussing what you call “candy.” Apple still pushes security updates for old macOS versions, so obsolescence isn’t even the right word to use, right? Inducements to buy new hardware is a company’s life blood, and the methodology you’ve outlined seems like the tamest way to…

If you went back in time to the sixties and said you spent several months disposable income on an electronic device that you only expect to work for a couple of years with zero ability to repair, they would think you were mad.

The current scheme is designed to extract our disposable income as much as possible. You are given a trivially better deal by Apple, but it’s still very much a raw deal.

Can you really choose not to have a smartphone? No. It’s a necessity of modern life just as a car is for many. This tilts the balance in favor of the manufacturer, you’ll buy one anyway.

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Post by linker3000 »

pixiemaster wrote: post #758
naikrovek wrote: post #726

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I have a $300 Ubiquiti Dream Machine and that thing CANT be scheduled to reboot. doesn't matter because Ethernet dies twice a day, and I need to use my phone to get to the admin page to restart the thing. most annoying and expensive router I've ever owned. I DO NOT understand how all routers I have ever owned are total garbage, but they all have been.

i use a mechanical clocked power outlet that cuts power once a day to the router

I've an external Webcam on wifi that occasionally loses its connection. I also have some basic home automation for lighting and a weather station, based on a Raspberry Pi running Node-RED.

The cam is pinged every 5 mins and if it doesn't respond, Node-RED power cycles a mains switch connected to it - and sends me an email! If the camera doesn't come back, the power is cycled up to a total of 5 times before I get a final email that says I need to take a look.

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Post by barrkel »

neuromancer2600 wrote: post #770
barrkel wrote: post #227

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You have to weight brands with the most issues vs market dominance vs likelihood of being seen by someone who observes the problem. If most laptops are Dells, then most problems will be on Dell machines, even if a niche brand is lower reliability. If most Apple laptops are taken to an Apple store, then a PC laptop repair shop won't see problems with Apple laptops. And so on.

That is correct. However, according to a quick Google search, each hp, Lenovo, and Dell produce roughly the same number of laptops each year. Therefore the technician's statement about hp's being of better quality should weigh heavier.

Does that presumably global production match the local distribution where the anecdote was relayed?

What proportion are on business contracts vs privately owned, where business laptop problems would go through the IT department?

What are the historical distributions, assuming that older laptops are more likely to be brought to a third party rather than OEM for repair?

What if less reliable laptops bricked very soon after going out of warranty, and more reliable laptops limped into a long tail?

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Post by _dain_ »

ayushnix wrote: post #752
jokethrowaway wrote: post #708

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I never understood why I should be hibernating instead of suspending so I can't talk about that - but I haven't seen a laptop unable to suspend for years. That could be luck and not buying laptops with terrible linux support but I wouldn't paint the situation as this tragic. The experience out of the box is still crap because the ACPI signals from the hardware are often a complete mess - but disabling most of them ge…

> and not buying laptops with terrible linux support but I wouldn't paint the situation as this tragic. Please tell me the name of a laptop which has excellent support for Linux. At this point, I'm ready to go out of my way to spend more money than I can afford if that gets me excellent Linux compatibility. I know, for a fact, that AMD based ThinkPads don't qualify. The Intel based FrameWork laptop has issues with su…

I have a Thinkpad X270, it has an Intel CPU. Never had any problems with suspend/resume on Linux.

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Post by superjan »

Dayshine wrote: post #425
superjan wrote: post #411

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I absolutely agree that microsoft could and should make this work better. But the pragmatic workaround is the setting to force hibernation when you close the lid. You can resume from SSD in 10 seconds. No middle of the night wakeups. Much improved battery life.

My dell xps hibernation doesn't work. 20% of the time it works. 40% of the time it won't wake and I have to kill it (screen stays dark even though keyboard indicates it is awake) 30% of the time it just immediately wakes 10% of the time it wakes at like 2am and power cycles my monitor every 30 seconds waking me up

OK, from the comments I read so far I realize that I may have been lucky with an older laptop. And I did not mention that I also turned off wake timers, realized that now. If this does not work on modern hardware that’s a real bummer.

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Post by baq »

oauea wrote: post #660
pavel_lishin wrote: post #599

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> I know it's too late to help you But it's not too late to help others! Thank you for showing us how insane this is.

What's insane here? Waking the machine up is a legitimate use case, and it's easily traceable and configurable.

waking the machine when the lid is closed and the thing is stuffed in a bag or a backpack is many things, but legitimate use case isn't one of them.

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Post by siva7 »

nikau wrote: post #731
oauea wrote: post #724

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Right, so the same as Windows.

A common theme I've noticed with the most ardent mac fans is they haven't used a windows machine since windows 95 and seem to think osx has all these magic features windows users are missing out on. I use mac and windows daily, and they both have similar amounts of annoying niggling features.

I've used Windows in its most recent Version on a high-end Dell issued by my company and can confirm all reports here about losing data and overheating. The Macbook simply works out of box but i can't get the Windows Machine to work in a sane way without 50/50 chance of losing all battery or data after closing the lid...
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