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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by outworlder »

sunflowerfly wrote: post #588
leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

Why not have every dealer install a couple of fast chargers? They could build out a nation-wide fast charge network in a month.

Nissan did this and it sucks. Because dealers have to sell their vehicles too, so guess which vehicles get plugged in those stations? They are almost always busy.

Plus dealerships have business hours. I had a bad time once with an earlier Leaf generation trying to charge at night, in the cold. TWO quick chargers just a few miles away, both inaccessible.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

reedjosh wrote: post #350
leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

regarding 2. Why are companies not putting out electric gas hybrids that use a tuned generator as a backup source of energy like the Chevy Volt did? (I suspect then the vehicle wouldn't qualify for subsidies) It's crazy to me, as it adds maybe 300 lbs to the vehicle and provides all the benefits of electric, but with the potential range of gas. I find electric vehicles as a technology highly appealing, but current of…

The BMW i3 has a gas range extender option[1] (though it's not exactly a pickup truck...) I personally went with a Toyota Prius Prime[2], which has been a solid vehicle.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_i3#Range_extender_option

2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Prius_Plug-in_Hybrid#Dr...

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by 1123581321 »

endisneigh wrote: post #118
WillPostForFood wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The advantage of a truck is you can carry more, or taller things, and they don't get the inside of your vehicle dirty. imagine you just mowed a wet, muddy lawn, do you want the mower in the back of your minivan, or in the bed of truck? Also, many tall things that you might haul in the back of truck can't simply be reposition into a minivan (tall and long or tall and many).

Ah yes, that's a good point. Other than tall or dirty objects, is there any reason to get a truck? Genuinely curious, because at some point I'll have kids and wonder what the trade-off is between minivan (more people) and truck (more hauling) is with an electric vehicle.

I like vans and own a van. However, in addition to the bed being outdoors, lined with a shell and having no roof, truck suspension can also receive heavier loads without risk of damage. They also have a higher clearance, which has some utility off of roads as well as allowing the truck to settle with a heavy load without affecting its safe path or speed as much.

It’s a good thing for consumers that the two vehicle types have so much overlap in utility.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by throwawaypage05 »

It's perplexing to me to see these one-off messages explaining a basic UI control month after month. Why not simply include a numbered page widget (i.e. "More comments: 1, 2, 3..5") at the top and bottom of the page and be done with it? If performance improvements later obviate the need for it, it can then simply be removed.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by madengr »

rootusrootus wrote: post #743
aaroninsf wrote: post #665

Hot take: this, as some like Ars Technica have observed, stands a decent chance of being a real game changer. Everything about this vehicle launch appears masterful, from its technology to its branding to the obvious care taken to ensure that in almost every respect it is so superior, and offers so many no-brainers, as to make anyone who can (both individuals and especially, fleet managers), buy these as fast they ca…

To be fair, some of these features are available on the recently released hybrid, as well. What I would like to figure out is if it can actually backfeed the home with 240V split phase power. That would be a seriously big deal if it could, it's not a common generator feature as it is. I'm skeptical, but they did claim it could transition from charging to supplying the house and back to charging when the power returne…

Yes it can, through the Ford EVSE (i.e. charger).

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by outworlder »

reedjosh wrote: post #350
leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

regarding 2. Why are companies not putting out electric gas hybrids that use a tuned generator as a backup source of energy like the Chevy Volt did? (I suspect then the vehicle wouldn't qualify for subsidies) It's crazy to me, as it adds maybe 300 lbs to the vehicle and provides all the benefits of electric, but with the potential range of gas. I find electric vehicles as a technology highly appealing, but current of…

The Volt was "hybrid done right". It was 90% an EV, it just had backup generation, which didn't even have to provide that much power. It can run at a constant (optimal) speed, with the variability absorbed by batteries. It doesn't take that much power to maintain speed in cruise, as opposed to accelerating.

No complicated drive train either. The Prius drivetrain is an engineering marvel, but looks complicated to me. It seems to be reliable, which is incredible.

Sure you need to carry the extra weight, but maintenance is (supposedly) much simpler.

The I3 is an even better example. It's marketed with the 'range extender' as an option. Only issue is that it had a teeny tiny fuel tank that only added a pitiful range(I suspect some incentives were in play), but it demonstrates the concept. Maybe this could even be optional.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by toast0 »

CalRobert wrote: post #744
toast0 wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fuel efficiency standards killed the small truck. In the turn of the century EV era, Ford had an electric Ranger which was built on the much smaller (at the time) Ranger platform. But you can't make an ICE small truck that meets the 200x updated CAFE standards, so the small trucks either disapeared (S10) or got bigger (toyota small trucks), or got bigger then disappeared and later reappeared still big (Ranger). An EV…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax worth a read. "The tariff affected any country (such as Japan) seeking to bring light trucks into the U.S. and effectively "squeezed smaller Asian truck companies out of the American pickup market."[16] Over the intervening years, Detroit lobbied to protect the light-truck tariff, thereby reducing pressure on Detroit to introduce vehicles that polluted less and that offered i…

How effective was this at anything other than making loopholes big enough to drive a truck through, and eventually getting assembly moved to NAFTA countries?

Having a 40 mpg target for a small truck and a 25 mpg target for a big truck makes it pretty hard to build and sell a small truck.

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Post by birdman3131 »

giarc wrote: post #620
JeremyNT wrote: post #550

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have a 2004 Toyota Tacoma that I love, and it would be amazing with a frunk, but you can't really get small pickups that size anymore You're not kidding! I was in the market for a small pickup and checked out the Tacoma and Frontier, which I previously understood to be "small" trucks. They're massive these days, just like the F-150! I guess it's perceived that there's no market for that size any more. A small ele…

The new Ford Ranger is a smaller size, but it's perhaps the worst looking truck available. I'm not sure what Ford was thinking there.

The new ranger is the size of my 99 F150. I have an 01 ranger that is way smaller.

The only thing the same is the name.

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Post by kingsuper20 »

tantalor wrote: post #759
kingsuper20 wrote: post #754

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll probably continue to see camper shells in California due to the absolutely insane registration rules.

Please elaborate

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/handbook/vehicle-industry-regi...

Registration is much cheaper if you have a camper shell because the vehicle ceases being 'commercial'.

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Post by grzm »

throwawaypage05 wrote: post #774

It's perplexing to me to see these one-off messages explaining a basic UI control month after month. Why not simply include a numbered page widget (i.e. "More comments: 1, 2, 3..5") at the top and bottom of the page and be done with it? If performance improvements later obviate the need for it, it can then simply be removed.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23851745 (and elsewhere)

> "We're working on performance improvements that will hopefully allow us to go back to HN's original style of one big page per thread (not infinite scroll, don't worry). In the meantime please look for those 'More' links when the total number of comments is over 250 or so."

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