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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by supernovae »

sdenton4 wrote: post #479
liminal wrote: post #420

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

This really is the rule, not the exception. Every time I've deigned to wade into conservative "free-speech" zones I've been booted out for ideological nonconformity. Tolerance is a peace treaty: https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1...

Just look at reddit / r / conservative. You have to be proven to be conservative before you can post, yet, they preach about first amendment, freedom of speech and your rights all the time.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by MrMan »

mleonhard wrote: post #486
mr_overalls wrote: post #365

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I don't care if my personal information was leaked. I followed discussions, posted a comment or two like, "What evidence do you have for that?" There seemed to be tons of other accounts that did the same, along with accounts by obvious Lefts who were there to troll. I highly doubt there will be blowback for the kind of participation I did. I am absolutely a privacy advocate. However, in the case where the continued e…

I don't understand your claim that terrorists are a threat to our democracy. As long as most of the people in the country believe in democracy, the country will continue to have democracy. The real threat to democracy is allowing leaders to stop following the democratic process. For example, on 02021-01-06, 147 congresspeople voted to throw out the votes from an entire state, even after their party had pursued the ap…

if the mass killings that right wing people want, come to pass, that for me would be a loss equal to "threat to democracy"

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by supernovae »

frankfrankfrank wrote: post #767
joshstrange wrote: post #641

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Agreed, the irony of /r/conservative complaining about censorship or their rights to free speech being restricted while making submitting posts and commenting "flaired users only" (AKA only the users who agree with us and think the same way) is completely lost on them...

I get that it is a kind of contradiction to claim being about free-speech, but to see their point, when free=speech and they as the primary advocates for free-speech are under clear and direct and persistent and unrelenting assault of their speech and thought, I can see how they would take on practical positions to protect their community from infiltrators and subversives as they are struggling to survive under relen…

Citation Needed

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by supernovae »

bmarquez wrote: post #755
joshstrange wrote: post #641

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Agreed, the irony of /r/conservative complaining about censorship or their rights to free speech being restricted while making submitting posts and commenting "flaired users only" (AKA only the users who agree with us and think the same way) is completely lost on them...

/r/conservative moderates their platform to accept all types of conservatives, including the authoritarian "let's spend all our money on the military and censor everything we don't like" types. They also took in an massive influx of new users after the_donald was banned which permanently changed its discourse. And as the biggest right-leaning political subreddit, r/conservative also took in an influx of people postin…

Those "more libertarian subreddits" seem to have similar behaviors...

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by whimsicalism »

klyrs wrote: post #747
whimsicalism wrote: post #530

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> I'd say I agree with the points in the article over the non-contextual, anonyomous, blanket statement that the crime bill brought ("caused") mass incarceration of Black Americans. Perhaps it is not an appropriately nuanced claim - I would be curious if there is equal enforcement of the "contextual" clarity of claims made in all political memes though. My guess is no, and it is also a quite common view among academi…

> I haven't, for instance, seen fact-checking of memes about Russia "stealing" the election or Donald Trump being a servant of Putin, despite those claims being potentially "non-contextual." Have you heard of the Mueller Report? There's been extensive fact-checking on this, and Trump obstructed the investigation.

> Have you heard of the Mueller Report? There's been extensive fact-checking on this, and Trump obstructed the investigation.

I have, of course. My claim is just that Russia "stealing" the election might be non-"contextual" if what's been shown is that Russia ran extensive misinformation campaigns, since the election was still ultimately decided by people voting, no evidence of extensive fraud, etc. , etc.

Of course, perhaps it is still a "steal" simply because of the effect of that interference/influence campaign. And similarly, perhaps the 1994 crime bill had an influence on future downstream state actions around incarceration. There's a discussion to be had about the topic. Neither "fact-check"-ing seems non-ideological to me.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by supernovae »

Dig1t wrote: post #745
wnevets wrote: post #640

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Please send me twitter links of people conspiring to commit violence so I can report them.

Here are some interesting ones: https://twitter.com/MonkeyWrenchATX/status/13162253889059266... https://twitter.com/MonkeyWrenchATX/status/13089834842880450... https://twitter.com/Windstalker361/status/129150221759012044... https://twitter.com/ScothSenpai/status/1311436929351790592 I agree Parler is/was shit and yay for its death, but there IS a non-trivial amount of extremist stuff on Twitter as well and IMO letting…

There is evidence that Parler is a russian operation looking to disrupt American Democracy...

https://twitter.com/davetroy/status/1327271037847867395?s=20

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by supernovae »

ativzzz wrote: post #693
Kaze404 wrote: post #653

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Can you name any left-leaning communities that promote "unmoderated" free-speech? As someone who's in many left-leaning communities, this would be news to me and I'm genuinely curious to how it works.

I think the biggest difference between far-left and far-right communities is that far-left communities don't pretend to have free speech. And because they don't care about free speech they are more willing to shut down content that the host platform may object to, like calls to violence. See places like /r/latestagecapitalism.

The left understands the complexity of free speech, the right weaponizes free speech. Huge difference.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by burntsushi »

chrisco255 wrote: post #744
joshstrange wrote: post #641

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Agreed, the irony of /r/conservative complaining about censorship or their rights to free speech being restricted while making submitting posts and commenting "flaired users only" (AKA only the users who agree with us and think the same way) is completely lost on them...

Have you ever been to /r/politics? It's a groupthink circle jerk. The difference, of course, is that /r/conservative is explicitly defined as a conservative community while /r/politics implies they are some sort of neutral community which they most certainly are not. At any rate, finding a diverse community of ideological people coming together to discuss politics with intellectual fervor is rather difficult these da…

I think you're missing the point. /r/conservative censoring views or users is just fine. They can define the norms of their own community and enforce them.

Just don't hypocritically declare that other people can't also do the same. That's the point here. The hypocrisy.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by lc9er »

vbezhenar wrote: post #759
thebigman433 wrote: post #750

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I think the difference is that r/politics doesnt actually ban you for posting something conservative, its just the users deciding they dont like it. I dont use it either way due to their horrible link rules, but there is definitely a difference in my opinion.

You're silenced by moderators or you're silenced by users. I don't see much difference in the end.

The difference is that the community observed your opinion and decided it provided no value. That could be a pro or con, based on many factors.
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